Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People on Twitter are saying they’re talking about dismissing the case is this true!?

No it isn't true. Stop paying attention to brain dead FKR cult members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Did you miss the DEFENDER part of my post?

I was in the criminal justice clinic at Georgetown, one of the best such programs in the country. I also clerked at the PDS in DC, one of the best public defender organizations in the country. I have a much stronger predilection toward the defense position which is what made me an excellent prosecutor. I know what reasonable doubt is and I know what magical thinking, UNreasonable doubt and shadows of doubt look like. I'd be the first to criticize if I saw any evidence whatsoever of nefarious activity on the part of the po-po in this case; it's not there. Calling a disgusting murdered a c*** on your private phone in text messages to friends/family doesn't make you a dirty cop.

An audit of the Canton PD was done by 5 Stones intelligence, an outfit that has multi-million contracts with the USA government across multiple agencies. No wrongdoing, no corruption. Some of their practices need to be updated to best practices, but nothing was done in this investigation to undermine the evidence that was collected. There was ZERO probable cause to investigate the home or the guests therein.

An audit of sorts was done by the FBI/DOJ of the Massachusetts State Police and all parties involved in this case and there was ZERO evidence found of a third party culprit or a police coverup. If you think differently, you don't know the relationships between local and federal law enforcement in Massachusetts. If there had been anything nefarious found, heads would be rolling.

Karen Read is an odious human being who is guilty of manslaughtering and murdering John O'Keefe. What she's done since she killed him is the proof of what a disgusting c*** she is at her core, she has a disordered personality and no moral compass whatsoever.

No probable cause to investigate the home and people in it? The guy was dying on their property!

Since she killed him? That has not been proven yet.

You sound like a Canton c**t yourself. Do you have the New England sh|t lip?

Not invested in this case at all, but New Englanders are weird and petty.

+1 this pp is a loon.

[Anonymous]

I have no idea what happened in this case… which is exactly the point. I didn’t watch the first case and have been watching this retrial and the prosecution hasn’t proved anything and the defense has successfully raised doubt in everything. I don’t see how a jury could convict. Could she have done it? Maybe. But not beyond a reasonable doubt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People on Twitter are saying they’re talking about dismissing the case is this true!?

There was the very small possibility of this with the prosecution suddenly changing their timeline last week. But Bev let them do it

[Anonymous]

Np. Just started watching the doc. I’m so confused. There is a lot that the prosecution messed up and tons of fishy evidence, no? So why is the defense pushing this big conspiracy theory? Isn’t it easier to just show there’s no definitive proof she did it, and that should be enough? Couldn’t he have just fallen and hit his head? Or someone else accidentally hit him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live very near by and have been following the case since O’Keefe’s death was first reported in local news.

I am also a former prosecutor and former defense attorney - and also a former domestic violence advocate which is relevant to how it shapes my lens.

I have zero doubt that Karen Read struck John O’Keefe with her vehicle and killed him. I have been watching the trial daily - in the evenings after work. I have seen all the testimony thus far. The only doubts I hold are as to whether the evidence will convince me of murder rather than DUI manslaughter - I’ll let you know when the commonwealth had rested its case.

This case has been fascinating to watch not just as a former criminal attorney but also as a lifelong student of literature - it has all the makings of a Greek tragedy, or maybe Shakespearean.

Read is clearly a deeply flawed person who is willing to throw dozens of other people under the bus - even innocent kids just starting out in life - in order to avoid taking responsibility for her own actions. Her brokenness is no doubt something John was beginning to see thus his attempts to break off the relationship in the months preceding his death. I think when we see the testimony of his niece and nephew who he was raising, we will see that he was being emotionally and verbally abused by Read and that it is very likely she lashed out in murderous rage because he was ending their relationship.

Meanwhile you have the chorus of people who are easily swayed by conspiracy theories, especially if it involves believing that the cops are corrupt - sadly the cops are at fault for cultivating this attitude in many people because they are too often corrupt, and much more often a bit bumbling, especially in small towns like Canton.

I have deep sympathy for the O’Keefe family, especially the young niece and nephew who are now three times over orphaned.

I also have a lot of sympathy for the friends and acquaintances of John who have endured more than a year of vile abuse online and in real life by the crazies who follow the Turtle Boy blogger she’s colluding with in spinning her sick defense.

Thank you for posting. In upside down world reddit and click farms seem to be working $$$ really hard to get her off using social media as an influence. Shes so guilty its crazy we're here again with a trial. Mind boggling.

[Anonymous]

I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

The prosecution is ineffective because the evidence is dripping with reasonable doubt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

Does he have the evidence, though? I think he’s done fine.

Was there any new or interesting testimony in this trial? Any of the witnesses interesting to watch? I’ve watched some here and there, but there’s just so much!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

The prosecution is ineffective because the evidence is dripping with reasonable doubt

This. She may be guilty, but I don’t really think they have enough proof, and so many unexplained anomalies to their theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

The prosecution is ineffective because the evidence is dripping with reasonable doubt

This. She may be guilty, but I don’t really think they have enough proof, and so many unexplained anomalies to their theory.

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Totally agree. I think she probably did it- accidentally or in a fit of anger- but the police and everyone involved made so many mistakes and did so many shady things, that they could introduced tons of reasonable doubt and she should be found NG. I know law enforcement types will be angry about this, but that’s what happens when you don’t follow proper procedure etc. This is on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish the prosecutor was doing a better more convincing job. Its frustrating to think she's going to get off again because the prosecutor isn't effective. Hes got the evidence he needs but he seems very ineffective to me.

The prosecution is ineffective because the evidence is dripping with reasonable doubt

There might be doubt, but in my opinion, it’s not reasonable doubt. There is a difference and I hope the judge clarifies and explains reasonable doubt versus doubt.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know when the trial is expected to wrap up and go to the jury?

[Anonymous]

I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

Yeah, watching the doc and he doesn’t seem all that stand up. Other than him taking care of his niece and nephew. But a 40 year old cop getting wasted and driving around in a storm to go to a house party, and likely cheating on his gf? He seems lame. I love the explanation that he was ‘celebrating’ his niece getting into a good catholic school. Can you imagine celebrating your kids getting into school by leaving them at home while you drink and drive around town during a storm? He watched Karen drink. And I’ll admit karen read seems a little crazy to have stayed with him.