Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

[Anonymous]

Today was a disaster! Is there anyone competent in the whole state?

[Anonymous]

I haven't been able to follow the trial as closely as I'd like... but I was assuming the way people were talking about a "trigger event" being recorded that there was some sort of data in the car that indicated it hit something at a specific time. Now I'm maybe understanding that is not in fact the case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

Yeah, watching the doc and he doesn’t seem all that stand up. Other than him taking care of his niece and nephew. But a 40 year old cop getting wasted and driving around in a storm to go to a house party, and likely cheating on his gf? He seems lame. I love the explanation that he was ‘celebrating’ his niece getting into a good catholic school. Can you imagine celebrating your kids getting into school by leaving them at home while you drink and drive around town during a storm? He watched Karen drink. And I’ll admit karen read seems a little crazy to have stayed with him.

The bolded is hard to imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

I see it this way too. Absolutely terrible decisions all around. Nobody is a reliable witness. And there is just no way to prove that his drunk self didn’t accidentally stumble into the back of her car while she was backing up, unbeknownst to her drunk self and the whole thing wasn’t just some giant drunk fest disaster waiting to happen. I truly don’t believe she knew that she hit him, purposefully drove away leaving him there for dead, and then called leaving him those absurd voicemails wondering where he is.

The whole thing should just be a life lesson in not getting $hit faced and nothing good happens after midnight. She’s no more culpable than him or anyone else involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

Yeah, watching the doc and he doesn’t seem all that stand up. Other than him taking care of his niece and nephew. But a 40 year old cop getting wasted and driving around in a storm to go to a house party, and likely cheating on his gf? He seems lame. I love the explanation that he was ‘celebrating’ his niece getting into a good catholic school. Can you imagine celebrating your kids getting into school by leaving them at home while you drink and drive around town during a storm? He watched Karen drink. And I’ll admit karen read seems a little crazy to have stayed with him.

Agree. Watching him walk from the bar with his drink in hand to get into a car told me all I needed to know about him. He could have easily fallen, passed out. It was snowing, he was wasted. They've tried to make him out as a saint but he seems as trashy as she does. The other partiers are also immature drunks. What a group.

[Anonymous]

I've just happened upon the "MicroDots" YouTube channel which contains dissection of videos from the case. Maybe I'm falling for some turtle boy propaganda but... there are a lot of unanswered questions. The one of the Judge coaching the prosecutor to object, please tell me that's a totally random catch among hours and hours of courthouse video. It does look bad.

Can the defense call Higgins in its case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've just happened upon the "MicroDots" YouTube channel which contains dissection of videos from the case. Maybe I'm falling for some turtle boy propaganda but... there are a lot of unanswered questions. The one of the Judge coaching the prosecutor to object, please tell me that's a totally random catch among hours and hours of courthouse video. It does look bad.

Can the defense call Higgins in its case?

I’m a prosecutor. It’s not abnormal for a judge to signal to one of the parties that the judge wants them to object. Usually it’s because the testimony is repetitive or dragging on and the judge is sick of hearing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think John O’Keefe was contributory at fault or just as negligent - there’s no evidence at all this was intentional if it was her, come on. None. - he was a policeman encouraging wasted people including his “girlfriend” to get just incredibly drunk and drive in a blizzard. Apparently because he thought there would be no consequences even though he obviously routinely dealt with drunk driving accidents. He was a negligent POS.

I see it this way too. Absolutely terrible decisions all around. Nobody is a reliable witness. And there is just no way to prove that his drunk self didn’t accidentally stumble into the back of her car while she was backing up, unbeknownst to her drunk self and the whole thing wasn’t just some giant drunk fest disaster waiting to happen. I truly don’t believe she knew that she hit him, purposefully drove away leaving him there for dead, and then called leaving him those absurd voicemails wondering where he is.

The whole thing should just be a life lesson in not getting $hit faced and nothing good happens after midnight. She’s no more culpable than him or anyone else involved.

+1
This is the only thing we can know for sure.

Of course, we’d know more of their Ring camera didn’t mysteriously get deleted that night. Or if he hadn’t thrown his phone in a dumpster on a military base.

Did they ever track down the dog to see if the teeth marks matched?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've just happened upon the "MicroDots" YouTube channel which contains dissection of videos from the case. Maybe I'm falling for some turtle boy propaganda but... there are a lot of unanswered questions. The one of the Judge coaching the prosecutor to object, please tell me that's a totally random catch among hours and hours of courthouse video. It does look bad.

Can the defense call Higgins in its case?

Okay that makes sense. It did seem like a relatively benign procedural issue they resolved at sidebar. If that’s the worst they have among hours of tape it’s probably no big deal.

I’m a prosecutor. It’s not abnormal for a judge to signal to one of the parties that the judge wants them to object. Usually it’s because the testimony is repetitive or dragging on and the judge is sick of hearing it.

[Anonymous]

Oops embedded my reply above.

Here it is again:

Okay that makes sense. It did seem like a relatively benign procedural issue they resolved at sidebar. If that’s the worst they have among hours of tape it’s probably no big deal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've just happened upon the "MicroDots" YouTube channel which contains dissection of videos from the case. Maybe I'm falling for some turtle boy propaganda but... there are a lot of unanswered questions. The one of the Judge coaching the prosecutor to object, please tell me that's a totally random catch among hours and hours of courthouse video. It does look bad.

Can the defense call Higgins in its case?

If you fall for any turtle boy propaganda, then you are a fool. Stay far away from him and his FKR cult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've just happened upon the "MicroDots" YouTube channel which contains dissection of videos from the case. Maybe I'm falling for some turtle boy propaganda but... there are a lot of unanswered questions. The one of the Judge coaching the prosecutor to object, please tell me that's a totally random catch among hours and hours of courthouse video. It does look bad.

Can the defense call Higgins in its case?

If you fall for any turtle boy propaganda, then you are a fool. Stay far away from him and his FKR cult.

NP, can you explain all the weird things that happened then? Why didn't the cop who owned the house come out to his own front lawn when another cop *died* there? You don't think that's bizarre? He just sat upstairs in bed...?

Why did he then destroy his phone and SIM card? He really wanted it to never be found again. And the *day* before it was subpeoened?

Why did various people butt call each other around the time KO allegedly died? Lots of calls back and forth to each other, and no explanation for them.

Why did the owner of the home where it happened rehome the dog that allegedly bit KO?

Why didn't they search the house if it was a murder?

If Karen confessed at the scene, why did they let her go? Why does this confession only appear much later and it wasn't in the written reports of any of the PO or first responders at the scene? Doesn't seem like something they would write down?

Why didn't the owner of the house go to KO's funeral?

Why were the group texts among the party goers the next day so bizarrely formal "is there an investigation? "yes, but we let's discuss off text"

[Anonymous]

And the ring camera coincidentally was erased for that night.

[Anonymous]

CW's biomedical engineer testifying today and cooking Karen's goose well and good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CW's biomedical engineer testifying today and cooking Karen's goose well and good.

How so? I’m on the fence with this case