Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

[Anonymous]

What broke the tail light on her car? It wasn't broken when she left the bar, right? Or maybe she backed into something before she dropped him off but doesn't remember. But if she hit him, why would that break it? Seems like it would just knock him down. Or did his cocktail glass break it? He threw it or she backed into it?

Why did he have all those cuts on his arms?

Strange details that don't add up. They were all very drunk and probably in blackouts or in and out of them.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

[Anonymous]

I think it’s possible he was startled when she left but not hit. Nothing indicates he was. My take is his injuries were accidental (like falling backwards on the hydrant snow marker flag) and the house crowd adults knew he was on the lawn but did not want to get incriminated since they had no clue what happened and so they left him to die. That’s why everyone was acting deeply shady that night.

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Anonymous wrote:I know plenty of folks in MA and none have these accents. Is it regional?

Thicker accents are more common among lower class or blue collar people. This is consistent across all states and even countries.

Well aren't you a disgusting classist pig.

And by the way, tell that to the Kennedys, you pig.

I'm eastern MA born and bred, my family's been here 400 years. Thick MA accents are very common across the social classes here.

Again, you're a classist pig.

Your reaction is common for someone in New England. Overly aggressive and combative. Calling someone a pig because they acknowledge an accent?

Yes, upper class people still have an accent in MA, but it’s typically less pronounced.

You likely can’t process this but lower class people in other parts of the country also have strong accents. Go visit hillbilly in Tennessee and listen to how they talk and then compare that to the accents you don’t hear in a wealthy suburb of Nashville. This really isn’t a concept that is worth getting upset over.

I've lived in every region of this country during my more than half century of living, and in every region where I have lived, people native to that region OF EVERY CLASS had accents. You and your classist buddy talking about 'lower class' people are pigs, as I said and maintain.

You might want to do some actual reading, upper class person that you think yourself to be, about regional accents around the world and how they exhibit across the socioeconomic spectrum. What you have posted is laughable.

Of course we all have accents, but the high- and low-SES accents within a given region tend to be quite different from one another.

Karen Read is a great example of this—she is from working-class roots (made good in her personal job, it sounds like) and her friends and associates are people who have assets, but it is because of union jobs in the public sector, not generational wealth.

They all sound very different from Boston Brahmins located 50 miles away.

Read’s accent is not just “thick”—it is totally different from the accent of people one hour’s drive from her. My family is all up there (on the RI side of the line) and if you have listened enough to these accents you can hear the difference between Woonsocket RI and Bellingham, MA—which share a border and are about 20 mins from
Canton.

It is not classism to note that this is true; it is linguistics.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Karen Read grew up in Taunton, attended private Catholic schools and her father was Dean at Bentley University. She grew up middle to upper middle class and made good on her tuition free education at daddy’s university and her employment opportunities in the financial sector thanks to daddy’s connections, including daddy hiring her to be an adjunct at Bentley.

Fair enough—maybe it was a two-generation transition and not one. But Taunton is not Newport. Neither Bentley nor the private Catholic Read attended (which is now closed) are or were particularly high-status institutions.

She’s been an analyst at Fidelity for 17 years; her dad has been a W2 employee of Bentley for nearly 50. He went to UMass-Dartmouth—and good for him—but that is not a move you make using multi-generational affluence, and neither are the accents being mocked here.

Okay, she's middle class, not UMC or Boston Brahmin. But not working class.

The point is she’s trashy. The drinking and partying is especially trashy at her age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s possible he was startled when she left but not hit. Nothing indicates he was. My take is his injuries were accidental (like falling backwards on the hydrant snow marker flag) and the house crowd adults knew he was on the lawn but did not want to get incriminated since they had no clue what happened and so they left him to die. That’s why everyone was acting deeply shady that night.

+1000000. I don’t think anyone knows out of this group of drunks

[Anonymous]

One thing I want to know - Did Brian Higgins (or others) regularly go to the Canton PD to do work in the middle of the night or move cars or grab items? Or was this a one time thing? I have not seen that asked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know plenty of folks in MA and none have these accents. Is it regional?

Thicker accents are more common among lower class or blue collar people. This is consistent across all states and even countries.

Well aren't you a disgusting classist pig.

And by the way, tell that to the Kennedys, you pig.

I'm eastern MA born and bred, my family's been here 400 years. Thick MA accents are very common across the social classes here.

Again, you're a classist pig.

Jen McCabe does not have the same Mass accent as the Kennedys. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

I think something happened along these lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

That would still be murder 2, because she engaged in extremely reckless conduct that disregarded human life - and death occurred. That's depraved heart murder 2 third prong of the MA general law statute.

But it doesn't explain how his hair and DNA were on the back end of her SUV adjacent to her broken out tail light, pieces of which were all over the road in front of 34 Fairview Road and tiny pieces of which were embedded in John's torn hoodie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing I want to know - Did Brian Higgins (or others) regularly go to the Canton PD to do work in the middle of the night or move cars or grab items? Or was this a one time thing? I have not seen that asked.

According to his texts exchanged with Karen Read, it was his habit to stop into his office on days off, nights, weekends.


As a fellow single one-time workaholic, I find nothing weird about this - I used to stop into my office sometimes in the evening, even late after being out with friends. I also always worked one full weekend day and sometimes half of the other, especially when I was in trial prep, and often worked well into the evening. I know many other colleagues who work too much like this, often they were also single folks more interested in doing work than going home to a quiet house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

That would still be murder 2, because she engaged in extremely reckless conduct that disregarded human life - and death occurred. That's depraved heart murder 2 third prong of the MA general law statute.

But it doesn't explain how his hair and DNA were on the back end of her SUV adjacent to her broken out tail light, pieces of which were all over the road in front of 34 Fairview Road and tiny pieces of which were embedded in John's torn hoodie.

Upon second read I am assuming that you are asserting the tail light was broken out by the glass he threw at the vehicle?

But that over looks that the largest pieces of the broken cocktail glass were found on the lawn near the location of John's body, and again doesn't account for the tiny pieces of tail light that were embedded in John's hoodie.

And again, the intentional act of backing a 6000lb SUV at high speed at a human body, whatever the result intended, meets the elements of third prong murder 2 in the Commonwealth. Whether her vehicle made contact with his body or if it just caused him to stumble and fall and all the injuries were resulting from that (defies logic), she would still be responsible for his death.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know plenty of folks in MA and none have these accents. Is it regional?

Thicker accents are more common among lower class or blue collar people. This is consistent across all states and even countries.

Well aren't you a disgusting classist pig.

And by the way, tell that to the Kennedys, you pig.

I'm eastern MA born and bred, my family's been here 400 years. Thick MA accents are very common across the social classes here.

Again, you're a classist pig.

Your reaction is common for someone in New England. Overly aggressive and combative. Calling someone a pig because they acknowledge an accent?

Yes, upper class people still have an accent in MA, but it’s typically less pronounced.

You likely can’t process this but lower class people in other parts of the country also have strong accents. Go visit hillbilly in Tennessee and listen to how they talk and then compare that to the accents you don’t hear in a wealthy suburb of Nashville. This really isn’t a concept that is worth getting upset over.

I've lived in every region of this country during my more than half century of living, and in every region where I have lived, people native to that region OF EVERY CLASS had accents. You and your classist buddy talking about 'lower class' people are pigs, as I said and maintain.

You might want to do some actual reading, upper class person that you think yourself to be, about regional accents around the world and how they exhibit across the socioeconomic spectrum. What you have posted is laughable.

Of course we all have accents, but the high- and low-SES accents within a given region tend to be quite different from one another.

Karen Read is a great example of this—she is from working-class roots (made good in her personal job, it sounds like) and her friends and associates are people who have assets, but it is because of union jobs in the public sector, not generational wealth.

They all sound very different from Boston Brahmins located 50 miles away.

Read’s accent is not just “thick”—it is totally different from the accent of people one hour’s drive from her. My family is all up there (on the RI side of the line) and if you have listened enough to these accents you can hear the difference between Woonsocket RI and Bellingham, MA—which share a border and are about 20 mins from
Canton.

It is not classism to note that this is true; it is linguistics.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Karen Read grew up in Taunton, attended private Catholic schools and her father was Dean at Bentley University. She grew up middle to upper middle class and made good on her tuition free education at daddy’s university and her employment opportunities in the financial sector thanks to daddy’s connections, including daddy hiring her to be an adjunct at Bentley.

Fair enough—maybe it was a two-generation transition and not one. But Taunton is not Newport. Neither Bentley nor the private Catholic Read attended (which is now closed) are or were particularly high-status institutions.

She’s been an analyst at Fidelity for 17 years; her dad has been a W2 employee of Bentley for nearly 50. He went to UMass-Dartmouth—and good for him—but that is not a move you make using multi-generational affluence, and neither are the accents being mocked here.

I’m watching just for the accents. It’s fascinating. Like King of The Hill but in Boston.

[Anonymous]

People on Twitter are saying they’re talking about dismissing the case is this true!?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

That would still be murder 2, because she engaged in extremely reckless conduct that disregarded human life - and death occurred. That's depraved heart murder 2 third prong of the MA general law statute.

But it doesn't explain how his hair and DNA were on the back end of her SUV adjacent to her broken out tail light, pieces of which were all over the road in front of 34 Fairview Road and tiny pieces of which were embedded in John's torn hoodie.

Upon second read I am assuming that you are asserting the tail light was broken out by the glass he threw at the vehicle?

But that over looks that the largest pieces of the broken cocktail glass were found on the lawn near the location of John's body, and again doesn't account for the tiny pieces of tail light that were embedded in John's hoodie.

And again, the intentional act of backing a 6000lb SUV at high speed at a human body, whatever the result intended, meets the elements of third prong murder 2 in the Commonwealth. Whether her vehicle made contact with his body or if it just caused him to stumble and fall and all the injuries were resulting from that (defies logic), she would still be responsible for his death.

If he was hit by the car wouldn’t he have dropped the glass not kept pieces of it with him?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think that maybe with her hair-trigger temper (you can tell by listening to her anger in v.m. messages) mixed with alcohol and the fact he didn't want her anymore... that maybe she revved up the engine, and backed up towards JOK at an alarming speed (no intention to kill him but more to scare him), he threw something at her tail light in fear, lost his balance and a shoe and hit his head? She drove away without knowing he fell and then once alcohol started to wear off and JOK was missing, she started remembering their argument and freaked out that she may have "hit" him.

Scratches are strange but I just can't see 12-14 people taking a murder to their graves.

I think something happened along these lines.

By the way, the proposed scenario is exactly what Karen admitted to discussing with her first MA lawyer David Yannetti, when she first reached out for his legal advice later in the afternoon of the incident. Yes, she revealed her atty-client confidential discussions in the docuseries she did, because she is that narcissistic that she cannot shut up to save her own life. As he advised, she would be culpable for his death if such a scenario had occurred - when she talked about it on film she left out the angry and purposeful part, but suggested she'd maybe clipped him in the knee or made some other kind of impact that incapacitated him.

After she got the legal advice, a few days later she began cooking up the CONspiracy and feeding it to Turtletool and the cult was born.