Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

PP, you didn't see what the miscarried products of pregnancy of this woman looked like. You don't know exactly what gestational age it was (no, you do not) or when it stopped growing. The fetus wasn't cleaned up and put into a blanket by some medical professional, it was in a bowl of waste material and she took out what she thought was the fetus, though it turned out not to be. That doesn't indicate that there was some easily identifiable little human being in the gunk. You are making up lies about her. And she left after the hospital DID NOT GIVE HER A D&C. Why is it so hard for you people? Have you ever sat in a hospital er for 8 hours by yourself waiting to hear if the hospital is going to give you the treatment that your doctor says you need? Lots of people would leave in that situation, when it's unclear what is going to happen.

Some of us HAVE seen a fetus at 19-20 weeks as soon as it comes out and it's not for the faint of heart. The skin, the eyes, it can look like an alien, and can be especially disturbing all covered in blood and goo. It can be frightful and someone all alone faced with trying to figure out what to do with that, I make no judgment about.

You, however, I do judge for being so totally devoid of sympathy for a woman going through such a heart wrenching situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, you didn't see what the miscarried products of pregnancy of this woman looked like. You don't know exactly what gestational age it was (no, you do not) or when it stopped growing. The fetus wasn't cleaned up and put into a blanket by some medical professional, it was in a bowl of waste material and she took out what she thought was the fetus, though it turned out not to be. That doesn't indicate that there was some easily identifiable little human being in the gunk. You are making up lies about her. And she left after the hospital DID NOT GIVE HER A D&C. Why is it so hard for you people? Have you ever sat in a hospital er for 8 hours by yourself waiting to hear if the hospital is going to give you the treatment that your doctor says you need? Lots of people would leave in that situation, when it's unclear what is going to happen.

Some of us HAVE seen a fetus at 19-20 weeks as soon as it comes out and it's not for the faint of heart. The skin, the eyes, it can look like an alien, and can be especially disturbing all covered in blood and goo. It can be frightful and someone all alone faced with trying to figure out what to do with that, I make no judgment about.

You, however, I do judge for being so totally devoid of sympathy for a woman going through such a heart wrenching situation.

Women aren’t pregnant with products, they are pregnant with their baby. The baby was large enough to not flush down a toilet and every new article states that the baby was approximately 22 weeks old. That’s what the media outlets are reporting.

The reason this woman was alone was because she left the hospital twice against doctor’s advice. She removed herself from the place she needed to be to get medical care.

I have seen stillborn babies and experienced a late term miscarriage, you have no idea what other people have experienced.

This woman was not sitting in an ER waiting room, she was in a hospital bed with an IV in her arm being monitored by medical professionals, and if she would have told her family she was pregnant and her life was in danger they could have been there with her and helped her. She refused to tell anyone. Something is wrong in her head. Don’t blather on about “trauma” because she was trying to keep a secret that almost killed her, and she is 34 years old. She is bearing down on 40 and her attorney called her a girl.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

just because you have the technology to save a life, doesn’t mean you should. A baby born that early and forced to live because some doctor wanted to play god and some hospital administrators wanted to make a big payday, will undoubtedly have multiple disabilities that have serious and profound effects on his quality of life, his family’s quality of life and tax payer dollars. Let sick and weak babies die with dignity and stop playing god.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

[Anonymous]

It’s only going to get worse
Get out of red states keep your kids out too

College students are at real risk
Wake up ladies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

Exactly. So if delivering the fetus put her at a high risk of death, why did she leave and do it on her own? If there is a high risk of death involved wouldn’t you want to be at a hospital?

Are you dense? They weren't scheduling the procedure.

They didn't because some religious freak shows feel like they need to insert themselves into all women's healthcare decisions. That is exactly why she didn't get the care that she required.

Mind your own F-ing uterus, religious nutters.

They told her she needed to be induced. How is that not offering her medical care? If she left of course they didn’t schedule a procedure.

It’s not clear they told her that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

Not a single thing you wrote there is a crime although it sure does provide a window into the hateful, misogynistic mindset that wants her to be prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

Unlike you, most people can imagine a woman, alone and scared who doesn't have a lot of resources and is in a hospital for 8 hours without any definitive action from the doctors to handle her bleeding and cramping, except to tell her the lawyers are discussing whether she can have an abortion, how that woman might decide to just go home because she didn't see the point in staying.

So many women have had miscarriages down a toilet that most people actually can empathize with a woman who went through that all by herself
and can imagine the state of mind, the shock and confusion about what to do. A lot of women have had pregnancies they didn't want to tell other people about. You have no idea what she went through, and clearly your imagination is very poor, which hinders your ability to empathize.

Her doctors wanted to give her a D&C. The hospital admin said hang on we have to think about it. What a horrid situation, one that should never have happened.

You seem like a truly cold and callous person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

You are exactly why people hate religious pro-lifers.

You’re ignorant and judgmental and you want to hurt women.

People don’t need to be religious to know that it’s wrong to leave a hospital two times when you are pregnant and bleeding and in pain, against doctor’s advice.

People don’t need to be religious to know that hiding a pregnancy to the extent you are in danger of dying is wrong. Medical issues are private and privacy is to be respected, but trying to keep a secret and being close to death is just unacceptable. In america, we don’t leave stillborn babies lying about in public or on trash heaps or in buckets in our yards. Having sympathy for very complicated situation is admirable but this woman is being a free pass as she disregarded doctors orders twice, tried to flush her baby down a toilet, presented herself as she was in the midst of a serious hemorrhage to get her hair done, etc She told a hardworking nurse who was caring for her she didn’t want her baby and left her dead baby outside in a bucket in her yard and the nurse did her freaking job and is being attacked.

I don’t know how religion is your focus here, but taking the advice of your doctors during a serious medical crisis has nothing to do with religion.

This woman hurt herself by her actions.

I take it we are now going to be allowing women to discard their babies in public on trash heaps like people do in India and it’s going to be considered pro-woman and helpful to women to do so. That’s right, just throw your baby outside somewhere and go get your hair done, and if you hemorrhage to death in a beauty salon well it’s just fine. Some wild animal or stray dog will wander by and eat your discarded dead baby because women have rights and it’s not a baby.

Religion is what drives many people to do horrible things to women.

We see you for what you really are - absolutely vile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

This entire thread shows how divided people are and dogmatic about their beliefs. They can’t see nuance or consider another point of view. The pro lifers automatically assume she was in the wrong and the pro choices jump to the conclusion she didn’t do anything wrong at all and the event was just like their miscarriage. Really the truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The lack of medical care is concerning and it’s also concerning someone found a foot stuck in her toilet.

Most likely she has severe mental health issues since she’s telling people there is a body in a bucket in her backyard.

Most sane people don’t refer to second trimester fetal remains as “a body”.

Did the hospital give her a body bag to put it in if she passed it at home?

What was otherwise available to her for placing what she thought were fetal remains in? A bucket seems as good a container as anything else. Would you have preferred a paper bag? A baking pan? A shoebox? Please enlighten us what women are supposed to do with the bloody remnants of a pregnancy. Because most of us don’t know. I flushed mine down the toilet.

Unborn babies have bodies, they are developing humans.



This baby was 21 weeks old when born, and survived. The baby in this case was a week older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/family/story/miracle-baby-born-21-weeks-heads-home-hospital-74848084

This woman tried to flush her baby down the toilet, but the baby’s body was too big and he or she became stuck in the toilet. The police who investigated found the baby’s body stuck in the toilet. The mother has scooped blood and feces into the bucket so she hide the fact she had given birth.

The hospital had admitted her twice before and she signed herself out if the hospital against her doctor’s orders. They made sure she was aware she needed medical care and could likely die if she left. She left anyway.

Her baby was dead you idiot. She signed herself out because the hospital board was debating for hours and hours what to do with her while she waited. That baby wasn't going to live no matter what, you a-hole.

Yeah no crap, this woman left the hospital twice against the advice of her doctors. The doctors and hospital were figuring out the best way to treat this woman and give her medical care to save HER life, as we all know the baby was already dead, her checking herself out TWICE was insane. The doctors and hospitals don’t make the rules, but they have to follow them. Just like the nurse who was doing her job to the standard of her profession and to the laws enacted by the state and federal government. The doctors and hospitals were not neglecting her, they were simply trying to make sure she received the right treatment and they admitted her twice.
I have been admitted to the hospital for a late term miscarriage/stillbirth and the doctors performed my procedure the NEXT DAY. She waited 8 hours, ok? Unless she was in an emergency situation she would have to wait for her procedure to be scheduled and performed, she was hospitalized and being monitored until that was able to be scheduled.

The sheer idiocy exhibited in this thread by hysterical women makes me weep for the future. People who are keeping a life threatening medical issue secret from their families don’t usually do well. People who check themselves out of the hospital twice against doctor’s advice don’t usually do well. People who attack medical professionals (hint: a nurse who is your front line caregiver doing her job) usually are psychopaths/morons. People who are in the throes of a life threatening hemorrhage who do not go to the hospital and instead go get their hair done are probably going to hemorrhage to death because they are more invested in keeping a secret than saving their own lives. I hemorrhaged after my 4th child and it went from oh gosh this is weird what’s up to omg help me and being taken by ambulance to the hospital and admitted and undergoing life saving surgery. It’s unexplainable why this woman would repeatedly do things that threatened her OWN life. Notice I do not address the life of her baby, as her baby was dead and not an issue other than she told her nurse she didn’t want her baby and threw her baby out with a bucket of sh&t in her yard. (Really she used a plunger to push her own baby into the toilet pipes, wtf, leave the baby in the toilet bowl and CALL AN AMBULANCE. Don’t shower, put on makeup, and go bleed out in a chair in a beauty salon. The emts and people who come to help you will deal with the baby in the toilet bowl and take you to a hospital where your life will be saved.)

I look forward to the future of America where militant pro-abortion women will be checking themselves out of hospitals because they don’t like to have to wait for medical care because gasp people are also sick and their lives are in danger and doctors are working to save those people, too. Being admitted and under the care of a team of doctors won’t be sufficient. After miscarrying or giving birth to a dead baby, women will be throwing their dead babies about willy nilly screaming about their “rights” and bleeding out in Publix and when a nurse (on her 4th 12 hour shift (really 14-16 hours but who is counting lol)) does her job she will be doxxed online and fired and harassed by the lynch mob, it’s so special to treat professional women like that as they care for their patients, wtf is wrong with you people?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

Exactly. So if delivering the fetus put her at a high risk of death, why did she leave and do it on her own? If there is a high risk of death involved wouldn’t you want to be at a hospital?

Are you dense? They weren't scheduling the procedure.

They didn't because some religious freak shows feel like they need to insert themselves into all women's healthcare decisions. That is exactly why she didn't get the care that she required.

Mind your own F-ing uterus, religious nutters.

They actually were, and procedures take time to schedule. Surgeons don’t instantly appear in an instantly available operating room.

Life-threatening problems that can require immediate surgical intervention include:

Heart emergencies — heart attacks, aortic dissection, and aneurysms
Spinal cord and brain injuries — brain hemorrhaging (bleeding), skull fracture, spinal cord compression, and back and neck fractures
Neurologic events — stroke and cerebral aneurysms
Penetrating trauma — gunshot and stab wounds
Lung conditions — pulmonary embolism and obstructions
Abdominal and gastrointestinal events — appendicitis, bowel obstructions, and gallbladder infections
High-energy trauma — work- and sports-related injuries, falls, crush injuries, and car accidents
Severe burns — burns that cover up to 90 percent of the body

An urgent surgery is one that can wait until the patient is medically stable, but should generally be done within 2 days, and an emergency surgery is one that must be performed without delay; the patient has no choice other than immediate surgery if permanent disability or death is to be avoided.

Keep your uneducated opinions out of the medical and legal systems.

Women’s bodies are capable of pregnancy. Women will have to deal with the possibility that they will become pregnant and if they are in danger of dying because of pregnancy complications, they should go to a hospital and not check themselves out even one time.

Preventing pregnancy is a great way to not have stuff like this happen. Teach your daughters to prevent pregnancy, like you teach them to prevent STDs and STIs and preventable health issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

If only they gave her that option.

Earlier that week, she was admitted twice to Mercy Health St. Joseph Warren Hospital when she experienced agonizing cramps and bleeding. (she was admitted to the hospital twice)

However, she left both times after waiting hours to see a doctor. (yes it takes time to see a doctor. The important thing was she was admitted to the hospital, in a hospital bed with medical professionals monitoring her condition. A doctor signed an order to have her admitted. The doctor who would be in charge of her treatment would be a different doctor. That’s how hospitals work. This woman was hiding her pregnancy from her family and couldn’t stay in a hospital because her family would ask where she was.)

Following the miscarriage, which she suffered at just over 22 weeks pregnant, Watts flushed the toilet.

When the toilet overflowed, she used a bucket to clean up. As she did not want anyone to know about the pregnancy, Watts then went to the salon for a hair appointment.

But the hairdresser was concerned and called her mother. Watts was taken to the hospital, where a nurse phoned 911.

According to transcripts, the nurse told a dispatcher that Watts was sent to the hospital earlier that week with bleeding and left ‘against medical advice.’

‘She came back in on Wednesday still bleeding and said, “Maybe I do need to be seen.” So we readmitted her and we were talking her through everything and she disappeared,’ the nurse said.

She said Watts admitted to placing the fetus in a bucket and putting it outside her home, and claimed that Watts told her she did not want the baby. ( Doctors couldn’t even treat her because she KEPT LEAVING. And now you all are attacking the medical system and people working in a high she refused treatment from?)

8 hours. She sat around for 8 hours while staff NOT her doctors dithered about whether she should get the safest treatment, a D&C.

Yes women hide pregnancies. This is a very human thing to do. This woman needs compassion. Not prosecution.

You are a terrible person.