The Blind Side scandal

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

Have i lived with them my whole life or did i move in at 18 after living elsewhere with other family?

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

He had full ride offers at Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana State, Alabama, and South Carolina. Clearly all those schools were cool with whatever stats he showed them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

He had full ride offers at Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana State, Alabama, and South Carolina. Clearly all those schools were cool with whatever stats he showed them.

Again, does he regret the help he was offered?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

He had full ride offers at Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana State, Alabama, and South Carolina. Clearly all those schools were cool with whatever stats he showed them.

Because the Tuohys paid a lot of money to get him the tutoring and help he needed to raise his GPA to be eligible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Instead he accepted the help that was offered. Do you have any evidence that he regrets that decision?

He had full ride offers at Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana State, Alabama, and South Carolina. Clearly all those schools were cool with whatever stats he showed them.

And how was he damaged by playing for Ole Miss? He played in the NFL. For the Ravens, not the Browns.

Someone here sounds like a jealous Alabama fan who is more upset about his college choice than anything else.

I do believe they they had selfish motivations but he ended up with a great career, a free education, and no one would buy his book now if The Blind Side has never happened. “Poor kid makes it to the NFL” is not a unique story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

He was already playing football. He met the family because he was in PREP school with their kids. He was not dumb. He was just in a bad family situation.

He had a huge GPA problem.

Don’t colleges know how to work with prospective recruits with low GPA?

Yes. They manage to get around it all the time.

I have no inside knowledge into this situation. Nor do any of you really.

But re: NCAA and grades, maybe some will work with the kids who have lower GPAs. But not all. And there is a minimum. One kid at our HS had a college coach walk out of a meeting with him after seeing his GPA and told him that was a nonstarter. THe kid was very open about that with his team.

Many football players go to community college for a year and use that GPA to go to college. It's not a big deal.

Another option is a prep year somewhere to raise GPA. With a football player as good as Oher, Jucos + Preps would have offered scholarship money, but whether he would have had the advice/organizational skills necessary to apply/take advantage of that rather than getting taken advantage of is questionable.

One thing folks have to remember is that Oher was VERY good at football. Football is big money. For football and basketball recruits of his caliber, there really are options to get you NCAA qualified that don't involve white saviors. That said, even if the Tuohys were interested in helping Oher because they thought they could steer him to Ole Miss (totally possible), I don't think there's any evidence they went in thinking they would ever make money off of it/take advantage of him financially. They were rich. They've stayed rich. This was booster-ism, in my mind, not anything worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

None. The answer is none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

Have i lived with them my whole life or did i move in at 18 after living elsewhere with other family?

DP: Let’s say that you moved in when you were 16 — and at a particularly vulnerable point in your life. They provided you with support and stability. They encouraged you to trust them. They facilitated a legal proceeding — like marriage or adoption— that they told you would make you legally a member of their family forever. They engaged in multiple projects — books, a film, numerous lectures— that focused on your relationships with each other as members of a family. Then one day, you found out that your family was not your family, and that you had been misled about the meaning of the legal proceedings by multiple people that you had grown to trust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

Have i lived with them my whole life or did i move in at 18 after living elsewhere with other family?

Back up, so any foster kids adopted as a teen isn’t a real member of their adopted family? Are you advocating for exactly the positive of what Leann Touhy advocated for when she claimed Michael was her adopted son?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

Have i lived with them my whole life or did i move in at 18 after living elsewhere with other family?

Back up, so any foster kids adopted as a teen isn’t a real member of their adopted family? Are you advocating for exactly the positive of what Leann Touhy advocated for when she claimed Michael was her adopted son?

DP “Teen” is too broad a description. There’s a big difference between a 13 and 18. My family adopted a cousin at 18 and she knew it was just a legal issue.

But regardless, exactly what damages is he suing for? Emotional pain and suffering? Because he didn’t seem to suffer financially - he’s rich too. Maybe 1/5 of the $700,000 from the movie? Which is nothing to him now - because he’s rich. Unless he didn’t manage it well which athletes sometimes do. And in that case, it would definitely feel like a money grab. But only the attorneys are going to make out like winners here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming he can show he didn’t know until recently he wasn’t adopted.

So? What is his causation and damages?

Doesn’t matter to the movie proceeds issue. They need to account for that regardless. But that is a different issue

IDK, what would the damages be if you found out today your family is not your family.

Have i lived with them my whole life or did i move in at 18 after living elsewhere with other family?

Back up, so any foster kids adopted as a teen isn’t a real member of their adopted family? Are you advocating for exactly the positive of what Leann Touhy advocated for when she claimed Michael was her adopted son?

He has barely talked to them in a decade or more. They aren’t close and he knows they aren’t his real mom and dad. To pretend to be shocked, even when be admitted he knows he wasn’t adopted in bis book, is outrageous.

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Maybe this is a cry to reunite. Seriously let’s hope they can work this out. Maybe he is feeling upset and not included and maybe he is being bratty but so do a lot of grown kids.The Tuoys said they would like to reunite and hopefully they will. I can only imagine his anger at his childhood-how many of us without threads issues are working out our own trauma.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this is a cry to reunite. Seriously let’s hope they can work this out. Maybe he is feeling upset and not included and maybe he is being bratty but so do a lot of grown kids.The Tuoys said they would like to reunite and hopefully they will. I can only imagine his anger at his childhood-how many of us without threads issues are working out our own trauma.

Oher's bio father died his senior year of HS. He was living on the street as a teen, plus bouncing between foster homes.

The guy has A LOT of trauma.