Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:This guy went on the sub in 2021 and said it had electrical problems back then.

It looks hot AF in that photo. The heat is what would make me freak out. I can handle the close confines, the lack of natural light, being deep underwater. But the heat would drive me nuts. You probably sweat off a lot of water.

It is cold.

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The news that they heard tapping noises but haven’t been able to locate them is terrifying. Better to be crushed by a sudden implosion than spending days counting down until you run out of air…

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine yourself in a minivan with four other adults in the deep depths of the ocean where you can’t see anything for days and probably are out of provisions and nowhere to use the toilet. You couldn’t pay me enough.

I got stuck (by myself and without a cellphone) in an elevator once for over an hour. That alone was enough to send me into a full blown panic. This sounds unimaginable. I just hope they're taking care of one another and that someone in the group is helping everyone stay as calm as possible until the end. The thought of being the last one alive is also horrifying.

The air quality must be terrible. How can you not panic in that situation with no communication with the outside world?

Stockton accepted the risk of this mission. He said so in an interview. You either come back up or you die if something goes wrong, so my guess is he's not panicking because he had already accepted his fate when he boarded that ship. You don't board it with any hesitation in mind, like what if this doesn't work out? You're thinking if this doesn't work out, then I accept my fate. Not sure if the others have that steel mentality even though they're adventurers and risk-takers and one even went to space. The Pakistani guy and his son--well, they're probably panicking because they sort of seemed along for the ride.

Impossible to know, but Stockton rush’s steel mentality is not going to be taken well by his fellow passengers. He is responsible for all of this.

I’ve been wondering how that has played out. Have they been yelling at him? Asking him about every possibility? Questioning his judgment and feeling he lead them to their deaths? Tensions must be really high.

I would want to yell at him but my desire to conserve o2 would probably take over. I can’t imagine it would be civil in there.

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Anonymous wrote:“Safety is pure waste,” said submersible CEO now trapped in unrescuable submersible:

https://bestlifeonline.com/missing-titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-is-waste-news/

He was the Elizabeth Holmes of submersibles.

"But Rush pushed back on his assertion that the vehicle was dangerous. 'There are certain things that you want to be buttoned down. The pressure vessel is not MacGyver at all, because that's where we worked with Boeing and NASA and the University of Washington,' he explained. 'Everything else can fail, your thrusters can go, your lights can go. You're still going to be safe.'"

Especially since the University of Washington denied contributing anything to the design/engineering…

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Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Also, in general we trust that something like this won't be allowed to operate without some sufficient oversight. We trust this every time we get on an airplane or buy a new car, or get on a ride at an amusement park. We trust it when we participate in anything that, of course, has risks - but aren't there guardrails in place to prevent some yahoo from simply taking $250k from whoever wants to pay it and sending them 12,500 feet down without some sort of oversight and inspection?

Of course there can always be an accident, something can always go wrong - but is the system built to go wrong? I guess it turns out it is - but I don't think it's crazy for the people who bought their seats on this doomed ride to have believed that this insane company wouldn't have been allowed to do this unless someone without a financial stake in the company thought it was safe. I know this is an extreme case - but I just don't think you can blame the people who participated for not knowing how unregulated this turned out to be. Or accuse them of wanting to die.

This is just so horrific.

And the migrant boat sinking is also horrific. It's sort of the opposite end of the same spectrum. Though I don't know anyone thinks the migrant boats are safe - it's just the people willing to take them are that desperate.

I think this is the huge difference in wrapping my mind around these two events. I understand the risk of the migrants because they are in a disadvantaged position where the gamble may be worth it. I can also envision how a boat sinks.

But with the submersible, my brain is just trying to fathom the extreme darkness and pressure that deep in the ocean. I don’t understand the risk of very well off people wanting to get on something not well regulated. And just to see the titanic on a video monitor anyway. What is the bonus of being that far below the sea, just to say you did it? Seems reckless without much upside.

Completely agree - but wanted to add there is a portal they can look through at one end of the vessel but its small. I saw a photo somewhere of an individual who had done this trip before and the photo was like a selfie with his face and the portal showing the titanic.

A selfie? So they died for social media clout?

the guy in the photo didn't die - his mission was last year?

Sigh. Yes, obviously the guy who took the selfie didn’t die. We were discussing why the hell you (both the former “yous” and the current “yous”) would even be motivated to spend $250K and do something this monumentally stupid to look at the Titanic on a screen inside the craft, and someone else posted that there is a small porthole and a previous occupant took a selfie with the Titanic through it.

All caught up now?

I can't believe this has to be said...

You lose a cell signal when you go into a tunnel, but apparently some people think they have the internet at 12,000 feet below sea level? I fear for humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:My question:
What is the heat discharge from the battery packs?

The 4 electronic thruster motors are powered by batteries. There is clearly no venting in the submersible. Does the heat discharge from the battery packs negate the cold outer temperature of the water? From what I understand, the deep ocean water has a consistent water temp of 0-3 degrees Celsius. Even if the battery packs die, its not clear to me that they would freeze to death. Running out of oxygen is more likely.

I'm beginning to feel like they had a battery or electrical failure (or fire). It will be fascinating to know who made the batteries - Tesla?

We would have heard from Elon a long time ago if Tesla had made the batteries. I can't fathom they would offer their proprietary product to another company.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine yourself in a minivan with four other adults in the deep depths of the ocean where you can’t see anything for days and probably are out of provisions and nowhere to use the toilet. You couldn’t pay me enough.

I got stuck (by myself and without a cellphone) in an elevator once for over an hour. That alone was enough to send me into a full blown panic. This sounds unimaginable. I just hope they're taking care of one another and that someone in the group is helping everyone stay as calm as possible until the end. The thought of being the last one alive is also horrifying.

The air quality must be terrible. How can you not panic in that situation with no communication with the outside world?

Stockton accepted the risk of this mission. He said so in an interview. You either come back up or you die if something goes wrong, so my guess is he's not panicking because he had already accepted his fate when he boarded that ship. You don't board it with any hesitation in mind, like what if this doesn't work out? You're thinking if this doesn't work out, then I accept my fate. Not sure if the others have that steel mentality even though they're adventurers and risk-takers and one even went to space. The Pakistani guy and his son--well, they're probably panicking because they sort of seemed along for the ride.

Impossible to know, but Stockton rush’s steel mentality is not going to be taken well by his fellow passengers. He is responsible for all of this.

I’ve been wondering how that has played out. Have they been yelling at him? Asking him about every possibility? Questioning his judgment and feeling he lead them to their deaths? Tensions must be really high.

Me three. It would be hard to not lose it on him if/when you realized your fate (assuming it wasn't a pressure breach).

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Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

If they could figure out what went wrong perhaps they could solve that problem going forward. Isn't that one reason we investigate accidents?

Don't do commercial trips to wreckage 12K feet under the surface of the ocean in unapproved vessels. Problem solved.

Ok. But we did non-commercial flights to space for decades. This is how we learn.

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Anonymous wrote:This guy went on the sub in 2021 and said it had electrical problems back then.

It looks hot AF in that photo. The heat is what would make me freak out. I can handle the close confines, the lack of natural light, being deep underwater. But the heat would drive me nuts. You probably sweat off a lot of water.

One fart and I'm out. I don't even want to be trapped with my husband or kids, let alone strangers.

+1 You don’t see any women onboard.

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Anonymous wrote:The sub has weights that can be released to allow it to surface.

Either they released the weights and are on the surface or

they released the weights but did not have sufficient buoyancy to surface or

they released the weights and steered into some part of the Titanic and became entangled.

This is the stuff of nightmares.

Or they were not able to release the ballast due to a mechanical or electrical problem

Or they imploded before the ballast was released

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Anonymous wrote:My question:
What is the heat discharge from the battery packs?

The 4 electronic thruster motors are powered by batteries. There is clearly no venting in the submersible. Does the heat discharge from the battery packs negate the cold outer temperature of the water? From what I understand, the deep ocean water has a consistent water temp of 0-3 degrees Celsius. Even if the battery packs die, its not clear to me that they would freeze to death. Running out of oxygen is more likely.

I'm beginning to feel like they had a battery or electrical failure (or fire). It will be fascinating to know who made the batteries - Tesla?

We would have heard from Elon a long time ago if Tesla had made the batteries. I can't fathom they would offer their proprietary product to another company.

Given how amateur that entire sub is they probably picked up some car batteries at the Walmart to power that thing. And it seems like corners were cut to save money everywhere so I’d bet they went for the cheapest ones.

I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone with a conscience could work for that company. So many questions about the design from people like me who know very little about anything but just seem to be common sense. You’d have hoped that more people would have been like the safety engineer who was fired and started asking hard questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine yourself in a minivan with four other adults in the deep depths of the ocean where you can’t see anything for days and probably are out of provisions and nowhere to use the toilet. You couldn’t pay me enough.

I got stuck (by myself and without a cellphone) in an elevator once for over an hour. That alone was enough to send me into a full blown panic. This sounds unimaginable. I just hope they're taking care of one another and that someone in the group is helping everyone stay as calm as possible until the end. The thought of being the last one alive is also horrifying.

The air quality must be terrible. How can you not panic in that situation with no communication with the outside world?

Stockton accepted the risk of this mission. He said so in an interview. You either come back up or you die if something goes wrong, so my guess is he's not panicking because he had already accepted his fate when he boarded that ship. You don't board it with any hesitation in mind, like what if this doesn't work out? You're thinking if this doesn't work out, then I accept my fate. Not sure if the others have that steel mentality even though they're adventurers and risk-takers and one even went to space. The Pakistani guy and his son--well, they're probably panicking because they sort of seemed along for the ride.

Impossible to know, but Stockton rush’s steel mentality is not going to be taken well by his fellow passengers. He is responsible for all of this.

I’ve been wondering how that has played out. Have they been yelling at him? Asking him about every possibility? Questioning his judgment and feeling he lead them to their deaths? Tensions must be really high.

Me three. It would be hard to not lose it on him if/when you realized your fate (assuming it wasn't a pressure breach).

He’d be BSing them about the high probability of being rescued.

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My big takeaway from this thread is that the state of basic science education in this country is dire indeed. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine yourself in a minivan with four other adults in the deep depths of the ocean where you can’t see anything for days and probably are out of provisions and nowhere to use the toilet. You couldn’t pay me enough.

I got stuck (by myself and without a cellphone) in an elevator once for over an hour. That alone was enough to send me into a full blown panic. This sounds unimaginable. I just hope they're taking care of one another and that someone in the group is helping everyone stay as calm as possible until the end. The thought of being the last one alive is also horrifying.

The air quality must be terrible. How can you not panic in that situation with no communication with the outside world?

Stockton accepted the risk of this mission. He said so in an interview. You either come back up or you die if something goes wrong, so my guess is he's not panicking because he had already accepted his fate when he boarded that ship. You don't board it with any hesitation in mind, like what if this doesn't work out? You're thinking if this doesn't work out, then I accept my fate. Not sure if the others have that steel mentality even though they're adventurers and risk-takers and one even went to space. The Pakistani guy and his son--well, they're probably panicking because they sort of seemed along for the ride.

Impossible to know, but Stockton rush’s steel mentality is not going to be taken well by his fellow passengers. He is responsible for all of this.

I’ve been wondering how that has played out. Have they been yelling at him? Asking him about every possibility? Questioning his judgment and feeling he lead them to their deaths? Tensions must be really high.

Me three. It would be hard to not lose it on him if/when you realized your fate (assuming it wasn't a pressure breach).

He’d be BSing them about the high probability of being rescued.

I was thinking the same thing. He seems arrogant and an out of touch rich guy who would not offer any sort of sympathy or comfort to those on board. Or maybe he crumbled under the pressure of it all and is crying asking for their forgiveness. Is there pen and paper, any sort of recording device on the ship? I wonder if anyone is documenting their last days.

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They imploded. May the adventures have a safe journey into their next adventure beyond. Peace out. Over and out. Last call. See you in the next life.