Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Todays Daily Mail article is pretty horrifying - it seems they definitely died in a state of terror.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12286881/Titanic-sub-victims-knew-fate-minute-3-000ft-nosedive-expert-says.html

Meh. They signed up for this risky experience.

How about the many people who die horrific deaths every single day who didn't choose to go on a thrill ride?

How about it? You can start threads for them, too. No one is stopping you.

Very weird to be so invested in these 4 random people. They died doing something they knew was risky. So what?

The thread isn't invested in the 4 random people. They haven't really been discussed at length. Next to nothing has been said about Nargolet.

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Anonymous wrote:Titan submersibles released an official suspension of operations today, no further comment.

Let the lawsuits commence.

The entity is formed offshore and with all the legal liability protections they could dream up. I’m not sure the damages juice is worth the law firm squeeze.

That waiver probably won't hold up in court.

Why would billionaire families bother to sue? Time, effort, emotional torture for what? Company is defunct and doubtful there is insurance available. No lessons to be taught as the person responsible is already dead.

Some of the executives are still alive. If billionaires won’t sue and the waivers are airtight, then I guess Oceansgate executives have nothing to worry about. Otherwise, they should get into brace position.

Have you heard the phrase “you can’t get blood from a stone?”

People have a romantic view of lawsuits…like you will run in, yell “guilty,” and collect your $200M check. It’s years of work and emotional trauma and nothing is a sure thing. And if you’re suing a defunct company, there’s nothing to “win.”

Someone keeps reviving this thread to argue that litigation is pointless. I wonder why.

NP.

I’m wondering why you are so intent on encouraging litigation, which would likely be pointless here.

Except: the plaintiff’s attorney would of course be paid well.

Are you a civil litigator interested only in your own bottom line, PP?

DP. A law professor from my alma mater (OK, I'm biased) was on the radio the other day opining that because of the waivers and plain obviousness that what they were doing was extremely dangerous, the families wouldn't get a judgement in a lawsuit. Further, that because of this it will be very hard for them to find counsel insofar as lawyers get a percentage of settlement. No pay, no play.

Also, stockton rush’s insistence on calling the passenger “mission specialists” wasn’t just hokum. They were considered crew and not passengers because killing the crew is not as big of a deal as killing your passengers, legally speaking.

https://www.insider.com/titan-sub-passengers-mission-specialists-oceangate-avoid-legal-jeopardy-2023-7

The New Yorker article referred to is very good, but I didn’t link because it might have a paywall.

He could have called them pineapples too. If they functioned as passengers, then that's how they will be viewed in court.

It would be hard to sustain a claim that people paid $250k each to be employees.

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Anonymous wrote:Titan submersibles released an official suspension of operations today, no further comment.

Let the lawsuits commence.

The entity is formed offshore and with all the legal liability protections they could dream up. I’m not sure the damages juice is worth the law firm squeeze.

That waiver probably won't hold up in court.

Why would billionaire families bother to sue? Time, effort, emotional torture for what? Company is defunct and doubtful there is insurance available. No lessons to be taught as the person responsible is already dead.

Some of the executives are still alive. If billionaires won’t sue and the waivers are airtight, then I guess Oceansgate executives have nothing to worry about. Otherwise, they should get into brace position.

Have you heard the phrase “you can’t get blood from a stone?”

People have a romantic view of lawsuits…like you will run in, yell “guilty,” and collect your $200M check. It’s years of work and emotional trauma and nothing is a sure thing. And if you’re suing a defunct company, there’s nothing to “win.”

Someone keeps reviving this thread to argue that litigation is pointless. I wonder why.

NP.

I’m wondering why you are so intent on encouraging litigation, which would likely be pointless here.

Except: the plaintiff’s attorney would of course be paid well.

Are you a civil litigator interested only in your own bottom line, PP?

DP. A law professor from my alma mater (OK, I'm biased) was on the radio the other day opining that because of the waivers and plain obviousness that what they were doing was extremely dangerous, the families wouldn't get a judgement in a lawsuit. Further, that because of this it will be very hard for them to find counsel insofar as lawyers get a percentage of settlement. No pay, no play.

Also, stockton rush’s insistence on calling the passenger “mission specialists” wasn’t just hokum. They were considered crew and not passengers because killing the crew is not as big of a deal as killing your passengers, legally speaking.

https://www.insider.com/titan-sub-passengers-mission-specialists-oceangate-avoid-legal-jeopardy-2023-7

The New Yorker article referred to is very good, but I didn’t link because it might have a paywall.

He could have called them pineapples too. If they functioned as passengers, then that's how they will be viewed in court.

It would be hard to sustain a claim that people paid $250k each to be employees.

The Mission Specialists were all instructed on how to pilot the vessel, in case Rush (or whomever else was in control) became incapacitated

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Reputable sources have said the transcript is fake. On that link posted it is highly edited to sound more realistic. I hope they died quickly and not how it’s described in that tape.

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Anonymous wrote:Reputable sources have said the transcript is fake. On that link posted it is highly edited to sound more realistic. I hope they died quickly and not how it’s described in that tape.

Reputable sources have also said the transcript sounds authentic. So, we don't know for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

[Anonymous]

This is a good article about the development of the Titan. Everyone knew the carbon fibre hull would fail.

Article shows Rush was irresponsible, ignored experts, and was reckless.
It was an accident waiting to happen and he had been warned.
The Titanic expert from France was concerned but joined, thinking he might be able to help out if there was a disaster.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/titan-submersible-implosion-warnings

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

They were both captaining ships that couldn’t safely go down to a depth of 13,000ft

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

No, but forging ahead (either bravely or foolishly--you can decide) when told about the dangers of the trips. Continuing to forge ahead on the ocean when warned the earth was flat, and they'd fall off is pretty gutsy.

[Anonymous]

After reading more about Rush, I really think he romanticized dying inside that submersible coffin. It’s unfortunate that he took other people with him.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

No, but forging ahead (either bravely or foolishly--you can decide) when told about the dangers of the trips. Continuing to forge ahead on the ocean when warned the earth was flat, and they'd fall off is pretty gutsy.

It’s not the same.

Rush ignored and dismissed science. He also lied about the evidence that showed the vessel he designed was dangerous. Experts told him there would be a major accident based on testing.

In Magellan’s day, there was no science. It was just a belief. It’s not as though there was evidence of people falling off the edge and he ignored those stories. It was unknown.

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

They were both captaining ships that couldn’t safely go down to a depth of 13,000ft

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree. They were trying things and responding professionally.

NOT saying it was not tense, but the amateurs in particular may not have been aware of how close they were to disaster.

If this is real, there were “multiple attempts” to drop the “rack”, which I assume are the pipes on racks on the sides that can be dropped by the occupants moving to one side of the sub to tilt it. They would have know that that the sub needed to ascend quickly if they were asked to drop the ballast. And that multiple attempts was not a good sign.

The tilting of the sub is not the "standard" way to drop the weights from the sub, that's just what the passengers had to do on a previous dive when the release mechanism failed. Maybe they had to do it again this time, but we don't know for sure.

You are right for every other sub, but for this one. That was the standard way if the electronics failed. And since the thrusters to go up weren’t working properly, and there were multiple attempts to go up because hull failure alarms were going off, the crew were definitely in a hurry to get the ballast off.

It happened on the other dive, but it was designed to be used that exactly that way if the controls failed.

“The pipes, or "triple weights," as 2022 mission director Kyle Bingham told Pogue they were called, are hydraulically driven and can be operated from inside the vessel.

No electricity is required to operate them. When they drop away, the sub gains buoyancy.

If those don't work, the roll weights can be shifted off the sides of the sub manually.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/seven-ways-missing-titanic-crew-30282594

Here is a description of the sub by Stockton rush - he goes into detail about the sound of the carbon fiber composite hull

“It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team.

And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum.

And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.

We have eight acoustic sensors in there, and they're listening for this. So when we get to 1,000 meters, if all of a sudden we hear this thing crackling, it's, like, "Wait, did somebody run a forklift into it? You know, has it had cyclic fatigue? Is there something wrong?"

And you get a huge amount of warning. We've destroyed several structures [in testing], and you get a lotta warning. I mean, 1,500 meters of warning.

It'll start, you'll go, "Oh, this isn't happy." (LAUGH) And then you'll keep doin' it, and then it explodes or implodes.“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submersible-interview-transcript-with-oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush/

This interview didn't age well. It very eery.

"RUSH: Yes. Once you've been sealed inside this, we have four days of life support. That is the safest place on planet Earth. The entire world could be destroyed. A nuclear bomb could take out the ship. And we for four days, we're alive. End of four days, we're dead. (LAUGH)"

He sounded like a lunatic with a God complex and a death wish.

Goodness.

Yep. And those who worked with him must have known.

Kind of like the crazy guy Magellan who kept going in his boat while others cautioned that the world was flat?

Nothing whatsoever like Magellan, but then, you already knew that.

Huh? Yes, very much so.

What, they were both male?
The submersible had known fatal engineering flaws that Rush ignored. Was Magellan sailing a ship known to be dangerous due to engineering flaws?

No, but forging ahead (either bravely or foolishly--you can decide) when told about the dangers of the trips. Continuing to forge ahead on the ocean when warned the earth was flat, and they'd fall off is pretty gutsy.

It’s not the same.

Rush ignored and dismissed science. He also lied about the evidence that showed the vessel he designed was dangerous. Experts told him there would be a major accident based on testing.

In Magellan’s day, there was no science. It was just a belief. It’s not as though there was evidence of people falling off the edge and he ignored those stories. It was unknown.

In Magellan's day, most people knew the world was round. A few superstitious flatearthers believed you could sail off the edge. Also, they had science.