Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This guy went on the sub in 2021 and said it had electrical problems back then.

This MFer went ahead on that dive even though it was the third attempt after two failed ones? Suicide mission, indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My big takeaway from this thread is that the state of basic science education in this country is dire indeed. JFC.

All one needs to do is read any article about deep sea diving/exploring. It’s not rocket science.

[Anonymous]

^ also, peace is like a river (or ocean)...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My big takeaway from this thread is that the state of basic science education in this country is dire indeed. JFC.

And not just science, but just... common sense.


Sharks are mammals.

They should have just put a cable on it, connected to the mothership.

Why no GPS?

Was the selfie from a guy trapped in the sub?


WTF people? I'm hoping some of these are trolls or maybe kids posting here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m angry that hundreds of millions of people are being potentially traumatized by this awful incident as the world watches them die via 24/7 media coverage.

I’m angry about the massive waste of resources from the common wealth that is being expended on this pointless effort to rescue incredibly foolhardy billionaires and con artists. It’s way beyond the value of 5 individual lives and the fact that it is being done is just another manifestation of human frailty and more hubris.

I’ll be glad when this story is gone from the front pages of everything. Hopefully by the weekend. May the adventurers RIP.

Who is being traumatized by this? It’s not happening to hundreds of millions of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lawsuit the former safety inspector filed against this company is crazy. They all knew what would happen (see pages 9-12):

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.262471/gov.uscourts.wawd.262471.7.0.pdf


The money shots:

15. Lochridge primarily expressed concern regarding the lack of non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan. Lochridge was repeatedly told that no scan of the hull or Bond Line could be done to check for delaminations, porosity and voids of sufficient adhesion of the glue being used due to the thickness of the hull. Lochridge was told that no form of equipment existed to perform such a test, and OceanGate instead would rely solely on their acoustic monitoring system that they were going to install in the submersible to detect the start of hull break down when the submersible was about to fail.

16. Lochridge again expressed concern that this was problematic because this type of acoustic analysis would only show when a component is about to fail—often milliseconds before an implosion—and would not detect any existing flaws prior to putting pressure onto the hull.

17. Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scaled model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.
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19. At the meeting, Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to the experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.

20. The paying passengers would not be aware, and would not be informed, of this experimental design, the lack of non-destructive testing of the hull, or that hazardous flammable materials were being used within the submersible.

This is the money shot as you say. Not cycling the compression test to failure is incomprehensible to any average mechanical engineer. I think ocean gate was so determined to use carbon fiber that they turned a blind eye to its mechanical shortcomings.
Unlike metal, which is easy to form into shapes, carbon fiber is hard to shape around curves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

If they could figure out what went wrong perhaps they could solve that problem going forward. Isn't that one reason we investigate accidents?

Don't do commercial trips to wreckage 12K feet under the surface of the ocean in unapproved vessels. Problem solved.

Ok. But we did non-commercial flights to space for decades. This is how we learn.

The government does non-commercial underwater research just like it did space flight. If you want to do that research and have government involvement in diagnosing your screwups, go to work for the government. If you want freedom from the constraints of government, investigate your own accidents.

Actually “accident” implies unpredictability, so it’s a misused word here. This was so predictable that the CEO had fired someone for predicting it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

If they could figure out what went wrong perhaps they could solve that problem going forward. Isn't that one reason we investigate accidents?

Don't do commercial trips to wreckage 12K feet under the surface of the ocean in unapproved vessels. Problem solved.

Ok. But we did non-commercial flights to space for decades. This is how we learn.

The government does non-commercial underwater research just like it did space flight. If you want to do that research and have government involvement in diagnosing your screwups, go to work for the government. If you want freedom from the constraints of government, investigate your own accidents.

Actually “accident” implies unpredictability, so it’s a misused word here. This was so predictable that the CEO had fired someone for predicting it.

Agree. There was no need for this rudimentary contraption. Why try to reinvent the wheel? This was so unnecessary and stupid.

[Anonymous]

I am like addicted to this story….

As a fan of the Titanic, I am hoping for a miracle that somehow these five people are able to survive + be recovered in time.

I know the chance of this occurring is very slim at best - however until the oxygen is due to run out, for the sake of their loved ones I am hoping for the best outcome.

………………..
What is so annoying seeing online is that one of the people in the sub, a billionaire…..has a stepson who is posting pictures online which are clearly insensitive to say the least.

One showed him attending a Blink 182 concert over the wknd while today he posted a thirst trap photo of an OnlyFans model.

It is very clear that this stepson is already counting on his upcoming inheritance. 😠

So sick.
And disgusting too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am like addicted to this story….

As a fan of the Titanic, I am hoping for a miracle that somehow these five people are able to survive + be recovered in time.

I know the chance of this occurring is very slim at best - however until the oxygen is due to run out, for the sake of their loved ones I am hoping for the best outcome.

………………..
What is so annoying seeing online is that one of the people in the sub, a billionaire…..has a stepson who is posting pictures online which are clearly insensitive to say the least.

One showed him attending a Blink 182 concert over the wknd while today he posted a thirst trap photo of an OnlyFans model.

It is very clear that this stepson is already counting on his upcoming inheritance. 😠

So sick.
And disgusting too.

He is being so insensitive that rapper Cardi B even made a comment about him online today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m angry that hundreds of millions of people are being potentially traumatized by this awful incident as the world watches them die via 24/7 media coverage.

I’m angry about the massive waste of resources from the common wealth that is being expended on this pointless effort to rescue incredibly foolhardy billionaires and con artists. It’s way beyond the value of 5 individual lives and the fact that it is being done is just another manifestation of human frailty and more hubris.

I’ll be glad when this story is gone from the front pages of everything. Hopefully by the weekend. May the adventurers RIP.

Wow, whoever wrote all of this sounds like a very, miserable human being.
To have such a blatant disregard for human life is disgusting.

You are so judgmental > it sounds like you think these five people all deserve to die somehow just because they made the decision to explore the Titanic.

And the fact that these people have large bank accounts does not mean they deserve to die a brutal death.

Have some empathy. 🖤

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m angry that hundreds of millions of people are being potentially traumatized by this awful incident as the world watches them die via 24/7 media coverage.

I’m angry about the massive waste of resources from the common wealth that is being expended on this pointless effort to rescue incredibly foolhardy billionaires and con artists. It’s way beyond the value of 5 individual lives and the fact that it is being done is just another manifestation of human frailty and more hubris.

I’ll be glad when this story is gone from the front pages of everything. Hopefully by the weekend. May the adventurers RIP.

Who is being traumatized by this? It’s not happening to hundreds of millions of people.

+1. The word “trauma” is so overused nowadays. No one is being traumatized except those closest to the occupants.

[Anonymous]

from what I can read we have:

-No safety redundancy
-No safety training for submarine problems
-No systems redundancy
-No backups for tracking
-No "Deadman's switch" that would surface the craft if something went wrong
-No way to track the vessel if the first system failed
-No way of testing hull integrity prior to each dive
-No way of knowing the number of dives each hull can take before it becomes unsafe to operate

It was a failure waiting to happen

I hope the crew is found and can be brought home alive. Can't imagine what their families are going through.

[Anonymous]

A lot of the dialogue around this incident reminds me of when JFK Jr’s plane went missing. It was also an event where the search and rescue occurred over a period of a few days, and where there was decreasing hope, but everyone was still holding out for a good outcome. But knowing that there likely will be resolution one way or the other, compared to planes and people that go missing and are never found.

There’s also some parallels in the style of disaster news reporting, the parade of endlessly speculating “experts” who will probably be completely wrong in the end.

You couldn’t look away back then and can’t look away now, myself included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:from what I can read we have:

-No safety redundancy
-No safety training for submarine problems
-No systems redundancy
-No backups for tracking
-No "Deadman's switch" that would surface the craft if something went wrong
-No way to track the vessel if the first system failed
-No way of testing hull integrity prior to each dive
-No way of knowing the number of dives each hull can take before it becomes unsafe to operate

It was a failure waiting to happen

I hope the crew is found and can be brought home alive. Can't imagine what their families are going through.

At those depths, none of those things are of any use.