Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:But white lefties believe it is Israel who doesn’t allow Palestinians to create a democratic prosperous civilized just society!

Yes because that worked so well in Iraq…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m no lover of Hamas, but it’s really hard to take the Israel defenders seriously when they won’t acknowledge that perhaps Palestinians have some legitimate gripes with their treatment.

That totes justifies kidnapping of women and children, raping and killing them. Totes

No one said it did. But it shows Israel is not the blameless victim it makes itself out to be. Both sides are awful.

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Outrage on actions of Hamas and Hezbollah is funny. Of course they are terrible and despicable. They are terrorists. This is what they do. Why are people always so shocked? They exist to terrorize to the hilt. But if you know this then you have to neutralize them politically. Netanyahu keeps egging the on instead. The SA move was right strategically. But Netanyahu kept pressuring and didn't want it as much as the terrorists didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

The leaders of Palestine want to kill Jews. And, they did yesterday. Well over 600 of them. It sounds like they killed Americans too.
There is a reason Israel is cautious when it comes to Palestinians. When they say they want to exterminate your country and the Jewish people, it is hard to welcome them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m no lover of Hamas, but it’s really hard to take the Israel defenders seriously when they won’t acknowledge that perhaps Palestinians have some legitimate gripes with their treatment.

That totes justifies kidnapping of women and children, raping and killing them. Totes

No one said it did. But it shows Israel is not the blameless victim it makes itself out to be. Both sides are awful.

Ah, but they have said that. Have you not read some of the comments on this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:It's so interesting that CNN and Co. keep interviewing Israeli military, politicians, academics, regular folk etc. but there hasn't been a single voice to articulate a Palestinian perspective. like not one. This is not journalism. Say what you want about Al Jazeera, they obviously have a pro Palestinian slant but at least they always invite an Israeli voice along with a Palestinian perspective.

#NotJournalism.

I can’t imagine any good Palestinian person volunteering to go on cnn to defend the Hamas attack or engage in whataboutism to justify an act of terror. And cnn obviously won’t bring Hamas sympathizers on tv. And why should they?

This is indefensible.

I think you might want to distinguish the past human rights abuses, land grab, etc. from what Hamas just did. They kidnapped women and children. They slaughtered a German tourist. Separate the past from the present and get on the right side of history.

The past IS the present. The past is happening. It never stopped. Israel doesn't get to say "nothing we did up until this point matters."

Disagree.

Your line of thinking seemingly absolves Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists by placing shared responsibility (at best) on the US for prior action in the Middle East. And that’s obviously ridiculous, right?

Here’s what is going to happen: all the Free Palestine people in the US, Europe, and other civilized nations will realize the atrocities committed by Hamas against women and children simply can’t be justified. They’ll quietly retreat. The only people voicing support for Hamas and Palestine will be terrorists: Hezbollah, Taliban, and religious extremists who clearly aren’t defending human rights.

I am sorry to be the one to tell you but the world doesn't feel nearly as much outrage about this as you think.

Just wait until more videos come out. Have you seen the kidnapped civilians? The kids? The young girls?

People will be outraged.

They ARE seeing them, and they're NOT outraged. Every comment section I see under one of these videos is 90% pro-Hamas/anti-Israel.

Are they Arabs? Muslims?

Figures. It’s a numbers game and they are everywhere.

But they don’t wield power…which is why they resort to terror.

Well it's online so I don't know. But all the white people I know are anti-Israel.

Only the ones who watch msnbc

No, pretty much all of them. My peer group is highly educated, very progressive and very self-loathing, and completely buy into the notion that Israel is a white, colonialist, super rich apartheid country.

Your peers are being kind, based on the comments I am reading on the Jerusalem Post I’d call the Israeli Jews savages.

The “savages” are the ones who kidnapped a little boy, and brought him into Gaza. Imagine the night he is having, and hang your head in shame:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710811394348552276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1710811394348552276%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Don’t care. How many Palestinian boys have been kidnapped, tortured and killed by the IDF? Israel regularly kidnaps children and tortures them in military prisons. You should actually kill yourself for thinking anyone needs to care about dead Israeli settlers. Israelis only understand violence.

Hamas sent their brightest light to engage with us on DCUM tonight?

+1 And it shows the thinking of some of the DCUM posters who post here.

If you're just reading that person's posts now, let me tell you at least several posts where he called us "lying Jews" (maybe also filthy Jews or stinking Jews? I think there were other adjectives) have already been removed.

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So the elderly woman is a Holocaust survivor https://x.com/joshkraushaar/status/1711006568479703069?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

I think you missed the point.

The point is this will never work because Hamas is a terrorist group whose mission is to destroy Israel and kill Jews. Hamas runs the show over there. They will never coexist peacefully. Never. Decades have proven this. Not gonna happen.

What’s the solution?

Assimilate them into Arab nations.

If America can assimilate Arabs, Africans, and seemingly all Spanish speaking people, then surely the many Arab nations can step up and do their part for the Palestinians.

And if they can’t, that speaks volumes.

Can you please recognize that people who want “death to Israel” can never live in or adjacent to Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m no lover of Hamas, but it’s really hard to take the Israel defenders seriously when they won’t acknowledge that perhaps Palestinians have some legitimate gripes with their treatment.

That totes justifies kidnapping of women and children, raping and killing them. Totes

No one said it did. But it shows Israel is not the blameless victim it makes itself out to be. Both sides are awful.

Ah, but they have said that. Have you not read some of the comments on this thread?

Way to avoid the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Hezbollah firing on Israel from a school . This is why Palestinian kids get killed because they want their own people killed in the response to get morons to hate Israel https://x.com/firasmaksad/status/1710997253219840354?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

And Israel deliberately builds settlements with kids and families in Palestinian areas hoping to provoke violence. Lots of tit for tat. Neither side is blameless here and acting like Israel is some sort of innocent victim just continues the never ending cycle.

At least you admit the presence of Jews makes Palestinians violent . Nice self own

When they are stealing what little land the Palestinians have it’s not too surprising.

Sorry, netayahu has deliberately provoked this to whip up nationalism and consolidate his power. The Israelis are getting what they voted for. I frankly don’t really care about either side too much. I just want the US to stay out of it. Let these horrible people kill each other.

Isn't modern day Palestine what was formerly Israel? (ancient Israel).

Depends which god you worship and which religious book you read.

Every faith seemingly claims Jerusalem as their own.

Maybe we just take it away from everyone?

Turn it into a religious Disney Worldesque theme park. Commercialize it like colonial Williamsburg by making it a living museum/attraction.

No educated person would argue that the kingdom of Israel never existed. The dispute is who actually has the rights to historic lands, and how far back you look to establish a claim. This isn’t about people reading too much into “fairy tales” as you imply: it’s about groups of people who have had control over parts of that region at different times in history. If this were all a “fairy tale” there would be no argument about who belongs there.

Just chiming in to say I appreciate an appeal to actual history. Now if only we could get people to turn a critical eye on the whole concept of "indigeneity" as it is commonly bandied about. Thank you for this moment of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

The leaders of Palestine want to kill Jews. And, they did yesterday. Well over 600 of them. It sounds like they killed Americans too.
There is a reason Israel is cautious when it comes to Palestinians. When they say they want to exterminate your country and the Jewish people, it is hard to welcome them.

Yup. And I wonder how many of these people acting like the Israelis should “just be cool” are the same types of people who read Holocaust history and start arguing that the Jews should have been more proactive against the Nazis and read the writing on the wall. Seriously, as a non-Jew, I totally get why Israelis are skeptical.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very telling that Arab countries do not want Palestinians in their countries.

It’s surprising they don’t want millions of people with no education, skills, jobs, or money who have been radicalized by decades of indiscriminate violence? Shocking.

And yet people with very similar circumstances (lack of education, skills, jobs, money, etc who suffered trauma and are fleeing violence) are welcomed across our southern border and quickly assimilate in America.

What’s the difference?

They aren’t religious extremists. They are just run of the mill Christians.

If we sent latino immigrants to Palestine they would quickly build a functional civilization as long as someone competent was in charge to establish a democratic government (sadly, central and South America aren’t known for that).

Wait— are you actually suggesting that America welcomes latino immigrants fleeing across our southern border and contrasting that with Arab nations not welcoming Palestinians? Because you are living in an entirely different reality than me.

More broadly there are lots of us who are heart sickened by this violence without trying to say one side is entirely justified in the violence they are inflicting on innocent civilians and the other isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is going to frame this as their 9/11.

It is.

500 killed so far in such a small country.


Even if Palestinians get their own state, they will still preach the destruction of Israel.

Israel must flatten Gaza and expel the people there to Egypt, Lebanon, Iran.

Hamas will never stop attacking Israel.

There is no chance that Palestinians will be welcome in Egypt, Lebanon or anywhere else in the Middle East. Everywhere they've been - Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait - they've caused civil war and strife. No one is rushing to offer them a new home. Palestinians are responsible for their own fate. By murdering 500 Israelis yesterday, Palestinians in Gaza have ensured that their future will be nothing more than a pile of rubble. They have nowhere to go. The borders with Egypt and Israel will remain sealed. Soon, food, water and fuel will become a problem. Not sure if Hamas thought things through. Gaza is going to be an extremely unpleasant place to be for the next few decades.

It’s been an extremely unpleasant place to be for the past few decades. What’s the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is going to frame this as their 9/11.

It’s a combination of 9/11 and January 6. Multiple intelligence failures, a political elite so focused on its stupid domestic infighting, wholly unprepared defense professionals, etc.

Israel is a very small country - only 10m people. So the fact that there will likely be at least 1000 Israeli civilian deaths + 5000+ casualties means that pretty much every Israeli personally knows someone killed, seriously injured, or kidnapped. It’s going to affect the national psyche for 2-3 generations.

Bookmark this: We are going to find out that our intel agencies heard what they will call 'chatter' and dismissed it because 'it didn't sound serious'.

Like 9/11?

Sigh.

Instead of blaming Israel and the US for failing to thwart terrorist attacks, how about we just blame the actual terrorists?

JFC. What is wrong with everyone? Don’t blame the victim. Don’t blame the system. Don’t blame history. Stop the whataboutism and woulda shoulda coulda.

Blame the terrorists for their attack and kidnapping of civilians.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone ever question this idea of “driven from their homes and land” and just rhetoric when they are literally still living on the same land. They got driven from New Jersey to Pennsylvania basically. Then orders are only state drawn like every border in the world. Every single country in the world was created by displacing the original people who lived there or absorbing them. The British btw absorbed and expelled into and from israel the people who were living there on farms. They could have created states and made Israel bigger by now. If only.

So if your home and land was taken from you with no compensation, and then you were forced to flee to a neighboring state where you were locked in and couldn’t get out and had no job, you’d be cool with that? No biggie right?

Ask yourself why the many Arab nations haven’t stepped in to welcome their Muslim brothers and sisters into their countries. There’s a reason. Speaks volumes about Arabs and Muslims: Palestinians and the neighboring and farther flung Arab nations.

It’s a real shame the Middle East never evolved to a tolerant melting pot like the US. Had they evolved beyond religious extremism and ethnic divide the region would be safer and more prosperous.

Their rigid cultural norms have held them back. Too bad we can’t flip a switch and help them evolve.

I see this argument every now and then, that the neighboring nations must welcome palestinians because they practice the same religion.
Palestinians don’t all want to leave
Just because someone in another country has your religion doesn’t mean you owe them something

I think we all know that the palestinians are not going to disappear. Israel has to accept that

Expelling legal inhabitants into settlements just because they don’t practice your religion is not the way forward

Gaza has 500 dead and 2000 wounded. Electricity and supply of goods is halted
They will starve, but I do not know if they would be able to give much resistence anyway

I think you missed the point.

The point is this will never work because Hamas is a terrorist group whose mission is to destroy Israel and kill Jews. Hamas runs the show over there. They will never coexist peacefully. Never. Decades have proven this. Not gonna happen.

What’s the solution?

Assimilate them into Arab nations.

If America can assimilate Arabs, Africans, and seemingly all Spanish speaking people, then surely the many Arab nations can step up and do their part for the Palestinians.

And if they can’t, that speaks volumes.

Can you please recognize that people who want “death to Israel” can never live in or adjacent to Israel?

I suggest we recognize that those people do live and will live for all eternity next to Israel.
Your suggestion that they will go away will not happen, arab nations is just a euphenism for other foreign nations.

What is your 500 year plan?