Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affects black people today?

Do you think that the behavior of black people doesn't matter to their lives?

So that’s a no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affects black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

Not as much as the biases against short people and non-native English speakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

You do realize you're asking the same question to many different posters.

And your question seems to imply that black people's failures (or comparative lack of success, relative to whites, Jews, and Asians) is due entirely or even primarily to racism. It's not. And even if it were, that doesn't mean "so-so" LaTwanda should get booted up ahead of Billy-with-the-As. All it means is that we make sure that LaTwanda, should she have the higher grades and scores, doesn't get stepped over in favor of Billy.

Now, I answered your question. Wil you be brave enough to answer mine: Do you think that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible to any bias against them (or is it all someone else's fault)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

You do realize you're asking the same question to many different posters.

And your question seems to imply that black people's failures (or comparative lack of success, relative to whites, Jews, and Asians) is due entirely or even primarily to racism. It's not. And even if it were, that doesn't mean "so-so" LaTwanda should get booted up ahead of Billy-with-the-As. All it means is that we make sure that LaTwanda, should she have the higher grades and scores, doesn't get stepped over in favor of Billy.

Now, I answered your question. Wil you be brave enough to answer mine: Do you think that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible to any bias against them (or is it all someone else's fault)?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

Not as much as the biases against short people and non-native English speakers.

Agree, but even those two examples are not equivalent. Short people can't do anything about their height, but non-English speakers CAN do something about their inability to speak English. Similarly, black people cannot change their skin color, but they CAN do things to reduce the bias against them, such as that horrible crime rate among black males as well as the high out-of-wedlock birthrate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

They do, but somehow black immigrants manage to make it even in the presence of implicit racial bias compounded by xenophobia...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

You do realize you're asking the same question to many different posters.

And your question seems to imply that black people's failures (or comparative lack of success, relative to whites, Jews, and Asians) is due entirely or even primarily to racism. It's not. And even if it were, that doesn't mean "so-so" LaTwanda should get booted up ahead of Billy-with-the-As. All it means is that we make sure that LaTwanda, should she have the higher grades and scores, doesn't get stepped over in favor of Billy.

Now, I answered your question. Wil you be brave enough to answer mine: Do you think that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible to any bias against them (or is it all someone else's fault)?

I keep asking and no one has answered. Not even you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

Not as much as the biases against short people and non-native English speakers.

So, yes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

They do, but somehow black immigrants manage to make it even in the presence of implicit racial bias compounded by xenophobia...

Clap Clap Clap Clap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

They do, but somehow black immigrants manage to make it even in the presence of implicit racial bias compounded by xenophobia...

Ok. Thanks for actually answering.

Quite telling how long that took for someone to admit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

You do realize you're asking the same question to many different posters.

And your question seems to imply that black people's failures (or comparative lack of success, relative to whites, Jews, and Asians) is due entirely or even primarily to racism. It's not. And even if it were, that doesn't mean "so-so" LaTwanda should get booted up ahead of Billy-with-the-As. All it means is that we make sure that LaTwanda, should she have the higher grades and scores, doesn't get stepped over in favor of Billy.

Now, I answered your question. Wil you be brave enough to answer mine: Do you think that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible to any bias against them (or is it all someone else's fault)?

+1

Really, +1 Slut? You’re going to +1 this post? Your standards are really dropping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

They do, but somehow black immigrants manage to make it even in the presence of implicit racial bias compounded by xenophobia...

What about all that rampant racism against Jews, especially during Hitler's time? Didn't stop them from going to college, even though they were poor Jewish kids from uneducated families.

(And yes, I know that liberals HATE when people point out that Jews succeeded despite the worst bigotry imaginable because it shows that you can't blame bigotry for failing to succeed. There are other factors and play, and one of them is sheer determination and motivation. Jews have it in spades.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are the racists really trying to deny implicit bias? And racism?

That’s rich.

I'm trying to figure out who you mean by racists? You mean the racists who are all about giving unfair advantages to middle-class black children while telling poor Johnnie-with-the-much-better grades (or whatever name they came up with) that he can go to community college? The obvious implication is that community college is "good enough" for poor whites, even if they've excelled in high school, because blacks who aren't as academically inclined deserve to go to the stellar university.

Yes, it really is rich that those racists are denying the racism involved where LaTwanda from Arlington with the so-so grades gets into a good university, and Billy-Bob from a coal-mining town in WV who has significantly higher grades ends up in community college because, well.....wrong color.

Skin-based AA is racist. Period.

Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

For the point of this discussion, any racism against black people would only enter into it if Admissions Committees were looking at a black kid with a 3.8 and a white kid with a 3.3, and because of racism, they give the nod to the so-so white kid and show the high-achieving black kid the door. But as it stands now, Admissions Committees are doing the opposite: favoring "so-so" black kids over high-achieving whites.

Let's just take race out of it. Kids with higher scores and grades, complemented by impressive extracurricular activities such as Student Body President or editor of the high school newspaper, get in over less-qualified kids. Race should not be a factor.

It’s a simple question: Do you think that implicit bias and racism negatively affect black people today?

You do realize you're asking the same question to many different posters.

And your question seems to imply that black people's failures (or comparative lack of success, relative to whites, Jews, and Asians) is due entirely or even primarily to racism. It's not. And even if it were, that doesn't mean "so-so" LaTwanda should get booted up ahead of Billy-with-the-As. All it means is that we make sure that LaTwanda, should she have the higher grades and scores, doesn't get stepped over in favor of Billy.

Now, I answered your question. Wil you be brave enough to answer mine: Do you think that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible to any bias against them (or is it all someone else's fault)?

+1

Really, +1 Slut? You’re going to +1 this post? Your standards are really dropping.

SLUT?? Really? That's the liberal come-back to a post that makes a very valid point: that black people's choices and behavior are at least somewhat responsible for any (continuing) bias against them.