Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Interesting, my preference is proximity even though those options increase the FARMs at my school. Some of us actually prefer a community/neighborhood feel to our schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Is it really 30 minutes extra commute one way compared to how it is now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Feel free to make a poster " BOE I support Option B , Please Make My Commute Shorter"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Interesting, my preference is proximity even though those options increase the FARMs at my school. Some of us actually prefer a community/neighborhood feel to our schools.

In the board's eyes the proximity / neighborhood argument has no merit since all these schools are so close together. The only real outliers are RP5 and CG2

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Feel free to make a poster " BOE I support Option B , Please Make My Commute Shorter"

DP.. again, it's not just a few families who will have a longer commute. Fallsgrove is a huge community. The traffic area going to ES#5 will be made worse - 5 school buses, several cars.

Again, it's not about 7% FARMs. I don't care if RP has 25% FARMs since it currently has close to that FARMs rate now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Is it really 30 minutes extra commute one way compared to how it is now?

I already explained this.. yes:

It takes about 20 minutes to get to Twinbrook from Horizon Hill at 8:30 morning. It takes 3 minutes to get to Ritchie Park. +17 minutes.
It takes 5 minutes to get to 270 from Ritchie Park. It takes 13 minutes from Twinbrook. +8

OK, so its 25 extra minutes a day instead of 30.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

I will never support any option which leads to one hour of extra commute for anyone. Can you share your zone ? I took a quick look at all options, I think option E is not really putting anyone with extra one hour of commute and does a balance in 4 schools in FARMs leaving TB untouched. I could be wrong though.

Some other options are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Is it really 30 minutes extra commute one way compared to how it is now?

I already explained this.. yes:

It takes about 20 minutes to get to Twinbrook from Horizon Hill at 8:30 morning. It takes 3 minutes to get to Ritchie Park. +17 minutes.
It takes 5 minutes to get to 270 from Ritchie Park. It takes 13 minutes from Twinbrook. +8

OK, so its 25 extra minutes a day instead of 30.

I am not the PP, but I have not seen much support for the scenario you are suggesting here. I see mostly support for option E and that won't increase travel time for anyone by too much. Only RP5 kids will take a bit longer to reach. Breaking up TB is not just about RP, it's more harder on TB. Those are crazy options.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Feel free to make a poster " BOE I support Option B , Please Make My Commute Shorter"

This is to NOT make it LONGER, not to make it shorter.
Also, and this is important. If you are a working family, that is time that you are not spending in your house with your child. That is significant. It takes away 50 minutes a day that your child could spend at home with the parents. That could mean the difference between doing an activity with your child and not doing it. That could mean working on homework..or not working on homework with your child. That could be time spent preparing afresh meal for your child or making something less nutritious.

Families are already stressed. Working families in T5 will face the same issues with transportation times. It is not conducive to a healthy family life. If that is what you want, great. This problem needs a real estate solution, not busing.

[Anonymous]

Option E is essentially what we have now , with slight (maybe 5 minute increase for RP5 )

[Anonymous]

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In the board's eyes the proximity / neighborhood argument has no merit since all these schools are so close together. The only real outliers are RP5 and CG2

That's not true. That's why they were going to take a bus tour to gauge community boundaries and distances. And at least one board member raised the hardships of lower-income parents being able to be involved in a school that far away, kids not being able to play on the same sports teams, etc. as their classmates, general feeling of not being part of the community.

They are definitely grappling with the diversity vs. proximity argument. They need to hear specifically from those parents that would be affected by those tradeoffs, i.e. residents of RP2, RP5, RP6, and Twinbrook.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Is it really 30 minutes extra commute one way compared to how it is now?

I already explained this.. yes:

It takes about 20 minutes to get to Twinbrook from Horizon Hill at 8:30 morning. It takes 3 minutes to get to Ritchie Park. +17 minutes.
It takes 5 minutes to get to 270 from Ritchie Park. It takes 13 minutes from Twinbrook. +8

OK, so its 25 extra minutes a day instead of 30.

I am not the PP, but I have not seen much support for the scenario you are suggesting here. I see mostly support for option E and that won't increase travel time for anyone by too much. Only RP5 kids will take a bit longer to reach. Breaking up TB is not just about RP, it's more harder on TB. Those are crazy options.

I am the PP, and Option E is on the acceptable list for me. I don't live in RP5 though, but I understand that it would involve an extra 5-7 minutes for them each way--on top of an already long commute.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how else to say it that hasn't been said already.

If you argue proximity vs FARMS you are opening yourself to the "bigotry" argument forcing other communities and the board to unite against you.

Instead call for socioeconomic diversity , capacity and balance . Stand for proximity , lower FARMs and such and it will backfire against you.

Well said here. Talking about proximity which leads to 7% FARMs is going to backfire for RP.

And that leads to which alternative?

Any other option except 7%.

30 minutes extra commute x 2 = 60 minutes extra per day
60 minutes per day x 180 days of school = 180 hours of extra commuting a year and time not spend with the child in a quality way.

that is INSANE. That's what you are trying to push. Think about it.

Feel free to make a poster " BOE I support Option B , Please Make My Commute Shorter"

This is to NOT make it LONGER, not to make it shorter.
Also, and this is important. If you are a working family, that is time that you are not spending in your house with your child. That is significant. It takes away 50 minutes a day that your child could spend at home with the parents. That could mean the difference between doing an activity with your child and not doing it. That could mean working on homework..or not working on homework with your child. That could be time spent preparing afresh meal for your child or making something less nutritious.

Families are already stressed. Working families in T5 will face the same issues with transportation times. It is not conducive to a healthy family life. If that is what you want, great. This problem needs a real estate solution, not busing.

Go ahead make this argument to the board see what happens next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think all RP parents should make strong case for RP not getting anything higher than 7%. Argument circulated by RP PTA which states that entire neighborhood is low farm. We are in near Potomac and typical Rockville neighborhood, so let's be real here. PTA circulation even states that 7% is actually even higher than what RP neighborhood has so it's already getting fair share of poor kids. Let's try to talk to BOE here saying that 7% itself is a huge sacrifice by RP.

If anyone wants, I will draft letters and collect signatures.

Troll - enough

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This is to NOT make it LONGER, not to make it shorter.
Also, and this is important. If you are a working family, that is time that you are not spending in your house with your child. That is significant. It takes away 50 minutes a day that your child could spend at home with the parents. That could mean the difference between doing an activity with your child and not doing it. That could mean working on homework..or not working on homework with your child. That could be time spent preparing afresh meal for your child or making something less nutritious.

Families are already stressed. Working families in T5 will face the same issues with transportation times. It is not conducive to a healthy family life. If that is what you want, great. This problem needs a real estate solution, not busing.

Good argument presented here. That's why breaking up TB is a bad idea. It will have a huge impact on them. I don't support breaking TB.

I just feel that RP needs to come up with a solid position with other communities. I don't want to see BOE putting 40% FARMs and all those criss cross.