FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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How timely for this discussion, FCPS e-mail just went out about a drug overdose at Oakton HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

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Anonymous wrote:How timely for this discussion, FCPS e-mail just went out about a drug overdose at Oakton HS.

Sad. I hope the student is OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

Isn't Chantilly HS currently much more overcrowded than Centreville?

Yes. Centreville is 104% over.
Chantilly is 110% over.
Oakton is 103% over.

The last consultants were told to ignore anything below 105% over capacity as part of normal population fluctuations, IIRC.

Wasn't proximity a consideration?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

Isn't Chantilly HS currently much more overcrowded than Centreville?

Yes. Centreville is 104% over.
Chantilly is 110% over.
Oakton is 103% over.

The last consultants were told to ignore anything below 105% over capacity as part of normal population fluctuations, IIRC.

Wasn't proximity a consideration?

For what?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

I think it was multiple school board members, not one, and they wouldn't have said that without buy-in from Reid.

Sorry that you'll be the ones redistricted to Westfield, but it makes far more sense. And stop pretending Centreville isn't almost a mirror image of Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

I think it was multiple school board members, not one, and they wouldn't have said that without buy-in from Reid.

Sorry that you'll be the ones redistricted to Westfield, but it makes far more sense. And stop pretending Centreville isn't almost a mirror image of Westfield.

My kids don't go to either school.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by this?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

I think it was multiple school board members, not one, and they wouldn't have said that without buy-in from Reid.

Sorry that you'll be the ones redistricted to Westfield, but it makes far more sense. And stop pretending Centreville isn't almost a mirror image of Westfield.

It was two, Dixit and McDaniel. I don't think anyone else said anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who can read a map can tell that almost all the Chantilly HS zoned elementary neighborhoods are much closer in distance to Westfield than any of the areas currently zoned to Centreville. Westfield HS is in Chantilly.

If FCPS is prioritizing distance in miles to fill seats, Chantilly areas should be moved over to Westfield and Oakton areas should be shifted west to Chantilly and Skyview.

Of course, they have 17 different priorities that they won't rank in any sort of order, so we have no idea what their "real priorities" are.

Reassigning anything at Chantilly to Westfield that isn’t already a split feeder results in disjointed boundaries. We really need to move part of Centreville to Westfield and then scale back this ridiculous expansion of Centreville to free up funds for other school renovations or expansions.

Forget about reading a map, no one with a functioning brain thinks we should be building Centreville out to 3000 seats. It would just be the height of insanity and waste of taxpayer money.

What's more important, distance in miles to the school building or the shape of the boundary? Who cares if the boundaries are "disjointed" if the closest areas are sent to the closest buildings?

Oh wait, is this the Chantilly mom who thinks high schoolers need to be able to continuously walk through an entire high school's boundaries? She's a hoot. I hope she posts more of her crazy ideas.

The shape of the boundary can tell you quite a bit about whether a school will have a strong sense of community. Reassigning a small pocket of Chantilly north of 50 to Westfield doesn’t make a lot of sense when there’s an effort underway to move Westfield neighborhoods north of 50 to Skyview and one of the stated goals is to reduce overcrowding at Centreville.

An entire elementary school boundary is not a small pocket.

It's a relatively small area and would be close to an attendance island but for a small contiguous area. No one could look at this and say it's the product of a sound boundary review.

A lot of posters on here thought it made sense, and the consultants put it in on several different options, so.....

It was the closest in distance full elementary school zone to Westfield not actually zoned to Westfield, so of course it made sense. You don't like it, but you certainly can understand how it makes logical sense.

YUP. Stop making a fool of yourself, lees corner lady. You got your promise from the wimpy SB member, but many of us thought it made perfect sense to send your school over to Westfield. Shrug.

I think it was multiple school board members, not one, and they wouldn't have said that without buy-in from Reid.

Sorry that you'll be the ones redistricted to Westfield, but it makes far more sense. And stop pretending Centreville isn't almost a mirror image of Westfield.

My kids don't go to either school.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by this?

What pp is saying is that all schools for "the poors" are the same. People Like Her shouldn't have to mix in with too many of "the poors". Even if they are her own Chantilly neighbors! She lives in Chantilly! They live in Chantilly! Westfield is in Chantilly! What a crazy idea that a public school system might send her little darlings to a school right down the road in Chantilly, full of "the poors"!

Everyone knows all schools for "the poors" are exactly the same. Poor people aren't allowed to have preference between their designated Poor Schools. They shouldn't mind being sent much farther away to a new school. All schools for "the poors" are the same, and all poor people are the same, and their preference don't matter. Public schools should be ghetto'd off so her types don't have to mingle with her own neighbors.

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it sounds like Westfield needs some better SES balancing with its student population, if nearby areas are crying so hard about being sent there. i thought western fairfax was relatively well off compared to other parts of fcps.

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Anonymous wrote:So most of Franklin MS will go to Oakton but then the poor Lees Corner kids will be the only ones there that go on to Chantilly HS? They will have no opportunity to meet kids going to Chantilly while at Franklin? That’s awful.

FCPS does not care about this. Many schools have this same problem now.

Agree. I think worrying about split feeders in middle is pointless. The capacities and locations don't line up in any logical way.

This. I think high school boundaries should come first. Then, if split feeder middles can be avoided, that would be a good thing. But, I don't think they can avoid it always.

Certainly, Crossfield should be at Skyview and stay at Carson. So, it might be necessary to leave Oak Hill kids at Franklin until Fox Mill can be moved to Hughes.

If FCPS stupidly keeps Crossfield at Oakton, then move them to Franklin.

One thing that should not happen is to create multiple split feeders for a neighborhood. (ex. current Emerald Chase which goes to Oak Hill, Carson, Westfield.)
It would not have made sense to send Emerald Chase to Oak Hill before McLearen was built. They were at Floris then and made very good sense. But, after McLearen was built Oak Hill is closer/better for them.
But, now they go to Carson and then to Westfield.

Fox Mill isn’t getting moved to Hughes.

Not yet. If Fox Mill stays at SLHS, then when FCPS gets rid of middle school AAP centers and the students all go back to their zoned middle school Hughes will have room for them. Fox Mill is part of the Reston / South Lakes community. They should be at Hughes.

Fox Mill should be at Carson and then Skyview, with the other Carson kids. There are Fox Mill families that can walk to Carson. And most of us want to move.

We realize that's what you want, but Crossfield has the same argument (other than your outright lie about there being any Fox Mill students that walk to Carson). Moving Crossfield makes more sense for FCPS because it helps with Oakton overcrowding while greatly reducing their commute, and at the same time doesn't undo the 2008 boundary study that improved South Lakes. You could argue putting Crossfield at South Lakes in your place, but that doesn't make any sense when you are already there and so much closer to the Reston community served by South Lakes.

I understand your reasoning, and Scenario 1 does seem to reflect it.

But that’s not the only plausible option.

The consultants identified future residential development areas, many of which are in Reston.

Scenario 3 accounts for this future development and focuses on minimizing split feeder patterns. Under Scenario 3, Crossfield stays at Oakton and Fox Mill moves to Skyview.

+1. There is more than one reasonable option. Also, the person who said their child could be a walker to Carson wasn't lying. The walker zone for middle and high schools is 1.5 miles. While most of Fox Mill is further, the closest homes to Carson, near West Ox Road, are 1.5 miles away from Carson.

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It makes for a much cleaner and sensible boundary map if Centreville areas are moved to Westfield. I know they think Westfield is beneath them, but Chantilly has compact boundaries that should be preserved to the maximum extent feasible. And that means eliminating the split feeder at Bull Run and sending all of BRES to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes for a much cleaner and sensible boundary map if Centreville areas are moved to Westfield. I know they think Westfield is beneath them, but Chantilly has compact boundaries that should be preserved to the maximum extent feasible. And that means eliminating the split feeder at Bull Run and sending all of BRES to Westfield.

It seems like Chantilly thinks Westfield (as po said, their neighbors) are beneath them.

I don't think any Centreville or Westfield parents even post on here.

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All of the Centreville kids live farther-some miles farther away-from Westfield than the Chantilly kids. That doesn't seem cleaner and more sensible to me, especially if these are lower income families with fewer resources. And of course kids who live in Centreville want to attend Centreville HS. (Fcps always gives the town of Vienna whatever they want with zoning Vienna kids).

I didn't realize Westfield was so unpalatable to Chantilly families before this. The schools are so close to each other!

If Westfield is that bad compared to the other school right down the road in the same town, it needs some attention from fcps and population rebalancing with nearby schools.