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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

They were not just somehow less qualified, but objectively less qualified based on standardized tests and other objective criteria. Unless the discrimination is unjust or prejudicial, it is perfectly rational. People make such discriminatory decisions on a daily basis - you choose products and services by discriminating against those that you don't choose.

If you believe the discrimination against blacks and Hispanic students were unjust or prejudicial, the burden of proof is on you to show that.

I know you are just trolling, but there is nothing objective about a test that produces such disparate results in favor of this who pay to prep.

That's a baseless assertion. You need to show proof.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Uh... why would you want to fix a mirror that is merely reflecting? Do you want the mirror to distort to show you the results you want to see, to lie to you, like one of those hotel mirrors that make you look thinner because your feelings are more important than objective fact?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-550-students-broadens-access-students-who-have-aptitude-stem

“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The correct number is 12. TJ began the year with 541 freshmen and they are now at 529.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The correct number is 12. TJ began the year with 541 freshmen and they are now at 529.

They started with 550. By end of September it was 541.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The correct number is 12. TJ began the year with 541 freshmen and they are now at 529.

They started with 550. By end of September it was 541.

That's because several did not start the year.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The class of 2024 lost 34 by March 2021
The class of 2023 lost 35 by March 2020
The class of 2022 lost 31 by March 2019

This was a net loss - so not reflecting any spots opened/backfilled.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The class of 2024 lost 34 by March 2021
The class of 2023 lost 35 by March 2020
The class of 2022 lost 31 by March 2019

This was a net loss - so not reflecting any spots opened/backfilled.

What numbers are you looking at?

From end of September to end of March, for 9th grade, TJ lost on net:

2021-22 12
2020-21 1
2019-20 1
2018-19 7
2017-18 1
2016-17 6

And there are probably more that dropped in the month of September.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-550-students-broadens-access-students-who-have-aptitude-stem

“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The class of 2024 lost 34 by March 2021
The class of 2023 lost 35 by March 2020
The class of 2022 lost 31 by March 2019

This was a net loss - so not reflecting any spots opened/backfilled.

What numbers are you looking at?

From end of September to end of March, for 9th grade, TJ lost on net:

2021-22 12
2020-21 1
2019-20 1
2018-19 7
2017-18 1
2016-17 6

And there are probably more that dropped in the month of September.

I was using PP's method of # admitted to March enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-550-students-broadens-access-students-who-have-aptitude-stem

“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The class of 2024 lost 34 by March 2021
The class of 2023 lost 35 by March 2020
The class of 2022 lost 31 by March 2019

This was a net loss - so not reflecting any spots opened/backfilled.

What numbers are you looking at?

From end of September to end of March, for 9th grade, TJ lost on net:

2021-22 12
2020-21 1
2019-20 1
2018-19 7
2017-18 1
2016-17 6

And there are probably more that dropped in the month of September.

These are all REALLY small numbers and not indicative of a crisis. You’re talking about 2% of the class and most of the ones who have left are Asian.

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550 - 529 = 21 (3.8% attrition)
486 - 452 = 34 (7%)
504 - 468 = 36 (7%)
485 - 454 = 31 (6%)

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Anonymous wrote:550 - 529 = 21 (3.8% attrition)
486 - 452 = 34 (7%)
504 - 468 = 36 (7%)
485 - 454 = 31 (6%)

Interesting. Though a more useful number would be to compare not admitted, but initially enrolled compared to end of March numbers.

It is a far more hassle to drop out during school. At least from end of September to end of March, 12 kids left for some reason big enough to do it in the middle of the school year.

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“Economically disadvantaged students increased from 0.62% (2020-21) to 25.09%.”

People knew which boxes to check last year to get a boost. The ideal candidate is now a Hispanic student from Poe or Black student from Whitman who reports being economically disadvantaged.

Only amoral people checked it if they weren’t truly low-income.

What's the definition of low-income?

Did you qualify for free or reduced lunches before the pandemic? Did you have a serious financial setback during the pandemic?

Is there an official thing at of quantifying this? Can one get a certificate of low income?

There are a variety of resources available if you need some assistance.

Info and application for free/reduced lunch.
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/student-safety-and-wellness/food-and-nutrition-programs/free-and-reduced-price-meals

More info:
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/nutrition/resources/faqs.shtml

“ Children from families with incomes at or below 130 percent of the poverty level are eligible for free meals. Those between 130 percent and 185 percent of the poverty level are eligible for reduced-price meals”


https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/familyservices/sites/familyservices/files/assets/boardsauthoritiescommissions/community-action-advisory-board/pdfs/2020-community-action-advisory-board-state-of-the-poor-bookmark.pdf

“ In 2019, poverty for a family of four is defined as a family annual income of less than $25,750 per year.”

So we have 25% of the current class with family income below $25k per year?

Or taking the 185% criteria, 25% of the class has less than $60k. Who's measuring this?

Less than $50k family income rather

I would really like to see verification....for all the touring of the 25% number.

It’s all self reported based on the 2 meals questions on the application. Since everyone gets free meals, anyone can say yes.

Lisa Williams the FCPS equity czar, left in Dec 2021. Was her departure related to the meals questions?

Unbelievable..essentially answering yes on that question led to +131 more admissions while the story being told is that they earn less than $47K in family income? this is what happens when fools don't understand process.

Some of those are probably parents trying to game the system but there are certainly more ED kids than the prior process (0.6%).

Rather than fetishize numbers that may be wildly off you might ask whether there’s any real point left to operating TJ as a magnet. Objective observers not so caught up in the idea of “winning” by kicking Asian and/or Carson/Longfellow/Rocky Run kids out would say probably not.

There are certainly more low-income students there than before. There may be no way to know exact #s.

Wanted to expand access isn’t “kicking” anyone.

Certainly is - when only Asian numbers are going down. 27% up for whites is part of expanding access.

When a group that makes up 15%-20% of the county's population gets over 50% of all TJ seats they don't have a lot to complain about. At least try telling that to groups that make up more than 20% and only get less than 5% of the seats.

It’s only ok because Asians are the ones being discriminated against. If it were black or Hispanic kids the outrage would be endless.

I mean, Black and Hispanic students have been discriminated against for the entirety of TJ's history on the grounds that not being able to keep up with students whose parents funded expensive exam prep made them somehow "less qualified".

And people still spout crap like that, and the false nonsense that Black and Hispanic parents "don't care as much about their child's education", when the relevant point to this conversation is that they don't start focusing narrowly on one single educational opportunity at an extraordinarily early age. Which is understandable, given that THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE OF EXAM PREP CULTURE.

Changing TJ's admission policy will not change the fact that some people will further enrichment (whether solving AOPS/Khan Academy problems on their own (for free) or going to AOPS/RM, etc.). If you have children you will know that some kids are either into it or not. You cannot force a kid to be good at math (at least to the level of AIME, etc.) or any other subject for that matter, no matter how much money you spend.

Even if you change the admission policy, the people who do not have time/resources will continue not to have these resources. 21 9th graders at TJ dropped out for some reason (freshman is now down to 529 as of end of March from 550). This is unprecedented. What gives?

Unless you provide resources (at a far earlier age), high school is too late to overcome falling behind what has accumulated for 14 years. TJ is not that kind of place.

Figure out why there is less representation for URMs/FARMs even at the AAP level starting in 3rd grade.

Fix the problem. Don't pretend to have solved the problem.

This is the bad faith deflection- “TJ is simply a mirror…Fix the inequality earlier.”

Why not both?

Because you just scarred 21 kids and it is only March.

The class of 2024 lost 34 by March 2021
The class of 2023 lost 35 by March 2020
The class of 2022 lost 31 by March 2019

This was a net loss - so not reflecting any spots opened/backfilled.

What numbers are you looking at?

From end of September to end of March, for 9th grade, TJ lost on net:

2021-22 12
2020-21 1
2019-20 1
2018-19 7
2017-18 1
2016-17 6

And there are probably more that dropped in the month of September.

These are all REALLY small numbers and not indicative of a crisis. You’re talking about 2% of the class and most of the ones who have left are Asian.

No other high school in Fairfax County dropped more in 9th grade during the school year (out of 30 high schools). These are really big numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:550 - 529 = 21 (3.8% attrition)
486 - 452 = 34 (7%)
504 - 468 = 36 (7%)
485 - 454 = 31 (6%)

Interesting. Though a more useful number would be to compare not admitted, but initially enrolled compared to end of March numbers.

It is a far more hassle to drop out during school. At least from end of September to end of March, 12 kids left for some reason big enough to do it in the middle of the school year.

I don’t think they publish the 9/1 enroll numbers. Only 9/30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:550 - 529 = 21 (3.8% attrition)
486 - 452 = 34 (7%)
504 - 468 = 36 (7%)
485 - 454 = 31 (6%)

Interesting. Though a more useful number would be to compare not admitted, but initially enrolled compared to end of March numbers.

It is a far more hassle to drop out during school. At least from end of September to end of March, 12 kids left for some reason big enough to do it in the middle of the school year.

Attrition isn't uncommon.

Class of 2021 had a 25 "loss" by 9/30 of freshman year, only 3 left from 9/30-6/30, but then 13 left over the summer, 5 more dropped out in 10th, then 5 more over the following summer. This doesn't include any possible backfills - this is net enrollment. Overall, a net loss of 11% of original admit #.

Class of 2020 = 8.3% attrition
Class of 2022 = 7% (so far) -- 1.5% during freshman year
Class of 2023 = 8.9% (so far)
Class of 2024 = 8.2% (so far)
Class of 2025 = 3.8% (so far) -- 2.2% during freshman year (so far)