U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts on Friday called for a response from a Virginia school

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Anonymous wrote:Happy day!! The Supreme Court just refused to block Thomas Jefferson High School’s (TJ) admissions policy! Wow! Three dissenters are Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas.

Finally!

Uncle Ruckus Thomas always votes against anything that helps Black people. SMH.

Actually TJ's new policy hurts black people in the long run.

Definitely going to have to show your work on that one. Start by talking about how access to college opportunities has harmed Black folks.

You know why. Just doesn't suit your narrative and self-interests.

Because they need to know their place. TJ is reserved for their betters

Nope. Wrong. The kids will do fine at TJ. They have mostly richer more involved black parents. It is just that it doesn't improve the community overall as politicians are just using a few kids to claim victory when the bigger problem is building the base/pipeline and improving standards - look at the statistics on high school math/language metrics. And white folks just displaced some pesky Asians and are slapping each other on the back.

Focus should be on helping the entire Black community. Not just pushing a few richer, privileged black people and claiming false victory.

Amen.

Seems like the Supreme Court is not that popular anymore among TJ anti-Asian progressives.

There are far, FAR more anti-Asian conservatives than anti-Asian progressives.

Citation?

Which party runs around with tiki torches and swastikas again?

Exactly. These people are willing to side with folks who want to return us to the Jim Crow era and burn down our democratic institutions all to save them a few theoretical percentage points in admissions to elite schools.

It's more than TJ, it is not acceptable for elected SB members to mock and openly discriminate against Asians and set out to reduce Asian numbers. Politicians openly making statements and taking actions against a racial minority group in a mocking/racist way is never acceptable.

You will never understand why Asians are upset if you keep saying - why are they so rabid about TJ.

Two problems with this:

1) TJ even after the changes is >50% Asian
2) Selection is race blind.

+1

It was done in a shitty way but it was a step in the right direction.

If TJ is a problem that can't be fixed then it should just go away.

Being racist is never a step in the right direction. There was nothing wrong with TJ to fix. Lack of academic achievement by certain student demographic groups is not a problem caused by TJ.

The result is a step in the right direction.

There was much wrong with TJ to anyone who actually cared about racism instead of opportunistically shrieking about it in bad faith.

You are right, the racists were the only ones who thought there was much wrong with TJ. You are one of them.

So true. Racists couldn't handle the fact that the Asians were doing well.

Oh no the issues is the C4TJ racists doen't want an inclusive environment and are trying to limit admissions of others.

They only reacted to being targeted by racist changes. You just wanted them to be do nothing and not react like good little Asians are supposed to do?

Replacing some middle class White and Asians with poor Asian, Black, White and Hispanic kids isn’t racist.

Every institution in the country wants more people from underprivileged backgrounds. Everyone. Making that practice illegal just because middle class POCs of all races won’t get the advantages that they have become accustomed to won’t fly.

Quotas have been illegal for a long time now. You are basically arguing for racial quotas. Stick to the "each school should have a few seats" argument as your best angle here since it makes sense, and it does not rely on race. Trust me. For example, Arlington and Loudoun contribute to the cost of running TJ so they get an allotment of seats. Every school district in Fairfax contributes to TJ, so they each should get an allotment of seats.

A quota is a hard number or percentage of a population.

No one has ever argued for that among the pro-reform population.

By contrast, Coalition-aligned trolls on this site have been quite vocal about wanting to see 20% of every government institution represented by Asians as a straw man to misrepresent the arguments of pro-reform advocates.

We can agree or disagree with whatever we want here, but there is only one side that is consistently arguing in bad faith, and that's the folks who are making it their business to make TJ a regular topic of conversation on Fox News.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy day!! The Supreme Court just refused to block Thomas Jefferson High School’s (TJ) admissions policy! Wow! Three dissenters are Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas.

Finally!

Uncle Ruckus Thomas always votes against anything that helps Black people. SMH.

Actually TJ's new policy hurts black people in the long run.

Definitely going to have to show your work on that one. Start by talking about how access to college opportunities has harmed Black folks.

You know why. Just doesn't suit your narrative and self-interests.

Because they need to know their place. TJ is reserved for their betters

Nope. Wrong. The kids will do fine at TJ. They have mostly richer more involved black parents. It is just that it doesn't improve the community overall as politicians are just using a few kids to claim victory when the bigger problem is building the base/pipeline and improving standards - look at the statistics on high school math/language metrics. And white folks just displaced some pesky Asians and are slapping each other on the back.

Focus should be on helping the entire Black community. Not just pushing a few richer, privileged black people and claiming false victory.

Amen.

Seems like the Supreme Court is not that popular anymore among TJ anti-Asian progressives.

There are far, FAR more anti-Asian conservatives than anti-Asian progressives.

Citation?

Which party runs around with tiki torches and swastikas again?

Exactly. These people are willing to side with folks who want to return us to the Jim Crow era and burn down our democratic institutions all to save them a few theoretical percentage points in admissions to elite schools.

It's more than TJ, it is not acceptable for elected SB members to mock and openly discriminate against Asians and set out to reduce Asian numbers. Politicians openly making statements and taking actions against a racial minority group in a mocking/racist way is never acceptable.

You will never understand why Asians are upset if you keep saying - why are they so rabid about TJ.

Two problems with this:

1) TJ even after the changes is >50% Asian
2) Selection is race blind.

+1

It was done in a shitty way but it was a step in the right direction.

If TJ is a problem that can't be fixed then it should just go away.

Being racist is never a step in the right direction. There was nothing wrong with TJ to fix. Lack of academic achievement by certain student demographic groups is not a problem caused by TJ.

The result is a step in the right direction.

There was much wrong with TJ to anyone who actually cared about racism instead of opportunistically shrieking about it in bad faith.

You are right, the racists were the only ones who thought there was much wrong with TJ. You are one of them.

So true. Racists couldn't handle the fact that the Asians were doing well.

Oh no the issues is the C4TJ racists doen't want an inclusive environment and are trying to limit admissions of others.

They only reacted to being targeted by racist changes. You just wanted them to be do nothing and not react like good little Asians are supposed to do?

Replacing some middle class White and Asians with poor Asian, Black, White and Hispanic kids isn’t racist.

Every institution in the country wants more people from underprivileged backgrounds. Everyone. Making that practice illegal just because middle class POCs of all races won’t get the advantages that they have become accustomed to won’t fly.

It all depends on how it's done, doesn't it? If you do it as the FCPS School Board did, you end up with at least federal judge concluding that you violated the Constitution, and of course there are other pending cases about admissions before a conservative Supreme Court. Your conclusory statement may be a better wish than prediction.

It's not exactly a challenge to get a politically friendly judge to rule that constitutional things are unconstitutional and vice-versa.

If you believe the judiciary is that nakedly political, then it only proves the PP was right and that you should be shaking in your boots about how the Supreme Court will rule in pending and future cases involving challenges to admissions practices rather than making bold claims that Judge Hilton’s ruling will not survive further review.

Oh, I didn't say the ruling wouldn't survive further review - especially by friendly courts. However, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for the Roberts court to simply rule in favor of the Coalition when they made their vacatur appeal. And they didn't, which was a HUGE surprise to all of us who follow these things.

I personally am not concerned with Harvard and UNC - I am concerned with TJ because it is a community that I care about deeply. I'm also not well-informed about those cases, and therefore I don't express opinions on them. But I am supremely well-informed about TJ and its history. That's why I advocate for admissions reform.

(And by the way - I'm not exactly thrilled about the new process. I think it's too thin. But I'd much rather build from here than see us revert to the old way.)