Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?

[Anonymous]

What a difference a season makes!

This summer the City Council stripped the MPD of many "riot-control" measures against the Mayor's wishes. While we all understand banning neck holds, they also banned tear gas and pepper spray and required the Mayor to ask federal authorities to do the same. Other riot-control measures are only allowed under imminent danger (and how does one establish that?) (https://wjla.com/news/local/dc-council-unanimously-passes-police-reform-bill-bans-neck-restraints)

Yet as we know, on 1/6 MPD responded to riots on Capitol Hill and saved the day. Tear gas and pepper spray were also deployed by some policing agency in the Rotunda to save legislators. This strikes against our Council's wishes and legislation. https://fox28spokane.com/the-latest-police-use-tear-gas-to-clear-capitol-grounds/)

As we know, all kinds of car crimes have alarmingly spiked in DC this year. Many of the perps are juveniles who enter DC Youth Reformation Act revolving door, now pretty much extended to age 26 by our City Council and criminal reform Cheerleader in Chief, Charles Allen. Car pursuits are banned. Last night there were 3 armed car-jackings in AU Park (1/11), by carjackers [b]waving AK-47s. Police gave pursuit a caught a couple of the perps. At least one was a juvenile (of course).

So which is it? Tear gas and vehicular pursuit sure came in handy this past week! It has been a rough week in DC, and thank god for law enforcement even with all the apparent contradictions.

[Anonymous]

OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

Do what now? No, they're not already investigated. The idea that policing in DC, and in the US, has a lot of problems - that isn't based on a few isolated incidents. Police forces need to do some serious self-examination.

Also, it's interesting that you used the word "neuter," as though MPD was previously manly and has now been emasculated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

Do what now? No, they're not already investigated. The idea that policing in DC, and in the US, has a lot of problems - that isn't based on a few isolated incidents. Police forces need to do some serious self-examination.

Also, it's interesting that you used the word "neuter," as though MPD was previously manly and has now been emasculated.

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

[jsteele]

OP, the restrictions on tear gas came after clear cases of abuse. Two well-known examples were Lafayette Square which was cleared for Trump's photo op and Shaw street where activists simply trying to get home were kettled and then tear gassed when they no means of escape. Note, that in both cases authorities initially lied about the use of chemicals. Council action was to prevent such abuse. As you note, tear gas was still legal for cases of imminent danger. Anyone viewing video of the insurrection would agree that what was happening there qualified.

I appreciate that you put significant effort into creating a straw man that you could then light on fire. But, a more useful discussion would occur if you stuck to facts and reality. Certainly, wanting consistent and appropriate use of tear gas and pepper spray is not hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Even veterinarians use "neuter" in that way. Find me an example where someone refers to "neutering" a female-coded workforce. "You can't neuter the nursing profession and then call for those same skills." "You can't neuter the housecleaning crew and then call for those same skills."

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:OP, the restrictions on tear gas came after clear cases of abuse. Two well-known examples were Lafayette Square which was cleared for Trump's photo op and Shaw street where activists simply trying to get home were kettled and then tear gassed when they no means of escape. Note, that in both cases authorities initially lied about the use of chemicals. Council action was to prevent such abuse. As you note, tear gas was still legal for cases of imminent danger. Anyone viewing video of the insurrection would agree that what was happening there qualified.

I appreciate that you put significant effort into creating a straw man that you could then light on fire. But, a more useful discussion would occur if you stuck to facts and reality. Certainly, wanting consistent and appropriate use of tear gas and pepper spray is not hypocritical.

When departing Chief Newsham presciently stocked up on tear gas anticipating possible post-election violence, the Council was very peeved and demanded answers! Seems like our Council wants it both ways. Obviously, it's a good idea to have some on hand and be prepared to use it. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/protests/dc-police-preparing-for-election-unrest-with-more-tear-gas/65-313455d9-89e4-40ef-9a37-b572eeaf0fd9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Even veterinarians use "neuter" in that way. Find me an example where someone refers to "neutering" a

female-coded

workforce. "You can't neuter the nursing profession and then call for those same skills." "You can't neuter the housecleaning crew and then call for those same skills."

You win. I am out of my depths. I don't even know what a "female coded workforce" means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Even veterinarians use "neuter" in that way. Find me an example where someone refers to "neutering" a

female-coded

workforce. "You can't neuter the nursing profession and then call for those same skills." "You can't neuter the housecleaning crew and then call for those same skills."

You win. I am out of my depths. I don't even know what a "female coded workforce" means.

A workforce where most of the workers currently are women or historically were women.

[Anonymous]

We have always liked law enforcement. It's the post 9/11 militarization of law enforcement that is causing the problem. And the fact that as a white woman, I know a policeman is going to be civil with me, not stop me for frivolous reasons and that I'm going to survive the encounter. My black friends and colleagues don't have that same luxury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Even veterinarians use "neuter" in that way. Find me an example where someone refers to "neutering" a female-coded workforce. "You can't neuter the nursing profession and then call for those same skills." "You can't neuter the housecleaning crew and then call for those same skills."

At work we regularly neuter capability of our satellites. But we are engineers and not lit majors. Though we have a male and female staff. I wonder if the women are pissed when neutering a deployed capability comes up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Does neuter only refer to emasculating men or does that actually show us more about the way your brain works. You need to argue less and read more.

Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Even veterinarians use "neuter" in that way. Find me an example where someone refers to "neutering" a female-coded workforce. "You can't neuter the nursing profession and then call for those same skills." "You can't neuter the housecleaning crew and then call for those same skills."

At work we regularly neuter capability of our satellites. But we are engineers and not lit majors. Though we have a male and female staff. I wonder if the women are pissed when neutering a deployed capability comes up.

If you're engineers with a 50-50 workforce, or maybe even a woman-dominated workforce, then you're very atypical engineers.

In any case, the issue is not anger. The majority of veterinarians are now women, and nobody gets angry (as far as I know) about the phrase spay-and-neuter. The issue is, what does the word choice say about the speaker's underlying assumptions? If you want to, you can think about the use of "male" and "female" to describe the ends of connectors/fasteners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.

Um. No. That's not why.

Also, "if Trump had called in the National Guard to protect the Capitol against his own supporters" is a statement that is inherently absurd.