Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does OP realize like a dozen LE have been arrested for the crimes they committed at the Capitol?

I liked the good police just fine before, and I like the good police now. It's just that a percentage think they are the terminator, and those are the ones who need to go.

That's great. I think most of us feel this way. You could say this about any profession--doctors, teachers, lawyers etc. There has been a long-time need for police reform in terms of practice, training and domain. However, the point of this entire thread is people wanting it both ways. To overly limit police (like this summer) and expect them to perform in situations that call for some of what was limited (like 1/6). Our politicians want to hold a 6,000 foot screwdriver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

It should always been investigated if there is concern. But many people who have no knowledge of crowd control assume things are done inappropriately and base their opinions of police work on ignorance. This gets amplified through social media and now millions hate the police, for no legitimate reason. I'm not saying there aren't things to improve, or that there isn't systemic racism. There is. But policy improvements need to be based on fact. Not Monday morning quarterbacks.....

If you watched the lawful and peaceful protests from the summer and didn't see a mass use of inappropriate means to control crowds then you are neither trained in that area nor able to see past your own nose.

Yeah. I don’t know a ton about crowd control but I can say that a police vehicle should never mow down protestors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

It should always been investigated if there is concern. But many people who have no knowledge of crowd control assume things are done inappropriately and base their opinions of police work on ignorance. This gets amplified through social media and now millions hate the police, for no legitimate reason. I'm not saying there aren't things to improve, or that there isn't systemic racism. There is. But policy improvements need to be based on fact. Not Monday morning quarterbacks.....

If you watched the lawful and peaceful protests from the summer and didn't see a mass use of inappropriate means to control crowds then you are neither trained in that area nor able to see past your own nose.

Yeah. I don’t know a ton about crowd control but I can say that a police vehicle should never mow down protestors.

A lawful + peaceful protest should not be a 'crowd that needs to be controlled'. At that point, measures to control a crowd are different from measures to safeguard peaceful protestors. If people protested in permitted, peaceful ways by and large all would be good. If unruly elements infiltrate their protests they should quickly be expelled, in coordination with law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Imagine thinking the issue with the Republican terrorist takeover of the Capitol was that the Capitol police weren't allowed to use chokeholds on the protestors and not that the right wingers in charge of security deliberately understaffed the Capitol police and deliberately ignored requests for backup because they knew it was their own people who were the terrorists.

But of course you knew that and like all regressives are pushing a bad-faith argument falsely comparing largely peaceful protests in which the police used excessive force against everyone because of a few bad actors to a terrorist insurrection in which every single actor was inciting violence and breaking the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does OP realize like a dozen LE have been arrested for the crimes they committed at the Capitol?

I liked the good police just fine before, and I like the good police now. It's just that a percentage think they are the terminator, and those are the ones who need to go.

That's great. I think most of us feel this way. You could say this about any profession--doctors, teachers, lawyers etc. There has been a long-time need for police reform in terms of practice, training and domain. However, the point of this entire thread is people wanting it both ways. To overly limit police (like this summer) and expect them to perform in situations that call for some of what was limited (like 1/6). Our politicians want to hold a 6,000 foot screwdriver.

We overly limited the MPD by asking them not to teargas peaceful protesters, and somehow this made it impossible for the Capitol Police to defend the Capitol against rioters? Huh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking the issue with the Republican terrorist takeover of the Capitol was that the Capitol police weren't allowed to use chokeholds on the protestors and not that the right wingers in charge of security deliberately understaffed the Capitol police and deliberately ignored requests for backup because they knew it was their own people who were the terrorists.

But of course you knew that and like all regressives are pushing a bad-faith argument falsely comparing largely peaceful protests in which the police used excessive force against everyone because of a few bad actors to a terrorist insurrection in which every single actor was inciting violence and breaking the law.

The problem wasn't what they were or weren't allowed to do. It was what they, particularly those in positions of leadership, chose to do. I'm pretty sure that Capitol Police already have the right to use force against people seeking to storm the building. That wasn't the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does OP realize like a dozen LE have been arrested for the crimes they committed at the Capitol?

I liked the good police just fine before, and I like the good police now. It's just that a percentage think they are the terminator, and those are the ones who need to go.

That's great. I think most of us feel this way. You could say this about any profession--doctors, teachers, lawyers etc. There has been a long-time need for police reform in terms of practice, training and domain. However, the point of this entire thread is people wanting it both ways. To overly limit police (like this summer) and expect them to perform in situations that call for some of what was limited (like 1/6). Our politicians want to hold a 6,000 foot screwdriver.

We overly limited the MPD by asking them not to teargas peaceful protesters, and somehow this made it impossible for the Capitol Police to defend the Capitol against rioters? Huh.

If anything, the riot showed just how much restraint the police are capable of showing in the face of an actual deadly threat, and how ridiculous their claims that they brutalized unarmed people out of fear for their lives often are. Or maybe it's how much of their fear is grounded in racial bias.

[Anonymous]

Most people (not Twitter users and DCUM addicts) always "liked" the police. We *don't* like bad cops or police brutality, and think reform is good. We definitely don't like cops like the two a-holes from southwestern Virginia who participated in last week's attempted coup. But cops are great. I definitely think we need them. The state's monopoly on the use of deadly force is a great invention--far better than people killing each other over grudges. We as a society have devolved into thinking that everything must be "for" or "against." How about just "all things in moderation, with good governance, and you know, following the rule-of-law." I know, crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people (not Twitter users and DCUM addicts) always "liked" the police. We *don't* like bad cops or police brutality, and think reform is good. We definitely don't like cops like the two a-holes from southwestern Virginia who participated in last week's attempted coup. But cops are great. I definitely think we need them. The state's monopoly on the use of deadly force is a great invention--far better than people killing each other over grudges. We as a society have devolved into thinking that everything must be "for" or "against." How about just "all things in moderation, with good governance, and you know, following the rule-of-law." I know, crazy.

+1, but unfortunately following the rule of law has become an afterthought to following and inciting your most extreme constituents. This is true for both the right and the left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people (not Twitter users and DCUM addicts) always "liked" the police. We *don't* like bad cops or police brutality, and think reform is good. We definitely don't like cops like the two a-holes from southwestern Virginia who participated in last week's attempted coup. But cops are great. I definitely think we need them. The state's monopoly on the use of deadly force is a great invention--far better than people killing each other over grudges. We as a society have devolved into thinking that everything must be "for" or "against." How about just "all things in moderation, with good governance, and you know, following the rule-of-law." I know, crazy.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.

Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.

Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.

Agreed.
And I will go further and say I wouldn't be shocked if it finally comes out that Democrats were the ones who opposed it and were saying that are those kind of people who call in armed police and the optics would be bad.
and no I don't support Trump.

[Anonymous]

OP, law enforcement isn't a matter of tear gas/no tear gas, chase/no chase. Nor is the discussion of it among informed and intelligent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

+1, but unfortunately following the rule of law has become an afterthought to following and inciting your most extreme constituents. This is true for both the right and the left.

How well I remember preparing for the inauguration in January 2017 by ... knitting lots of pink hats.

So please put your both-sides stuff on the compost pile where it belongs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people (not Twitter users and DCUM addicts) always "liked" the police. We *don't* like bad cops or police brutality, and think reform is good. We definitely don't like cops like the two a-holes from southwestern Virginia who participated in last week's attempted coup. But cops are great. I definitely think we need them. The state's monopoly on the use of deadly force is a great invention--far better than people killing each other over grudges. We as a society have devolved into thinking that everything must be "for" or "against." How about just "all things in moderation, with good governance, and you know, following the rule-of-law." I know, crazy.

+1, but unfortunately following the rule of law has become an afterthought to following and inciting your most extreme constituents. This is true for both the right and the left.

Oh great! Another both sides - er. I bet next you're going to call for "unity" or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking the issue with the Republican terrorist takeover of the Capitol was that the Capitol police weren't allowed to use chokeholds on the protestors and not that the right wingers in charge of security deliberately understaffed the Capitol police and deliberately ignored requests for backup because they knew it was their own people who were the terrorists.

But of course you knew that and like all regressives are pushing a bad-faith argument falsely comparing largely peaceful protests in which the police used excessive force against everyone because of a few bad actors to a terrorist insurrection in which every single actor was inciting violence and breaking the law.

So do you deny that they used tear gas to quell the crowd, a riot control method our Council is sternly against? And Guardsmen have now been authorized to use lethal force. Again, what a difference a season makes!