UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh Lord... Wait until the you hear what the DNA turned up.

The crazy supporters of the murderer is going to eat crow times 4.

1 has there been a murder?

Yes, at least 1. But you are going to wait until it all comes out.....

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

But that's exactly what he's Wanted for.

The lawyer must have specific reason to think the client will commit great harm to a specific person to break privilege. If the charges themselves were a basis to break privilege, there would be no privilege.

Corporate lawyer back. Thanks for clarifying. I have never understood how criminal defense lawyers can do what they do.

Lots of folks say that until those people need one. They are a necessary part of our adversarial system.

I know I know but I don't understand how someone can represent someone they know committed heinous crimes and get them off only to do it again. Not talking specifically about this case, just in general.

Lawyers don't determine guilt. Judges or juries do. Defense counsel makes sure the government has a real case.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

But that's exactly what he's Wanted for.

The lawyer must have specific reason to think the client will commit great harm to a specific person to break privilege. If the charges themselves were a basis to break privilege, there would be no privilege.

Corporate lawyer back. Thanks for clarifying. I have never understood how criminal defense lawyers can do what they do.

Lots of folks say that until those people need one. They are a necessary part of our adversarial system.

I know I know but I don't understand how someone can represent someone they know committed heinous crimes and get them off only to do it again. Not talking specifically about this case, just in general.

It doesn work like that in the real world. In the real workd, 90% of what criminal defense attorneys do is plead their clients and get them less jail time than they would have otherwise gotten.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

But that's exactly what he's Wanted for.

The lawyer must have specific reason to think the client will commit great harm to a specific person to break privilege. If the charges themselves were a basis to break privilege, there would be no privilege.

Corporate lawyer back. Thanks for clarifying. I have never understood how criminal defense lawyers can do what they do.

Lots of folks say that until those people need one. They are a necessary part of our adversarial system.

I know I know but I don't understand how someone can represent someone they know committed heinous crimes and get them off only to do it again. Not talking specifically about this case, just in general.

That's not how it works in the real world. In the real world 90% of what criminal attorneys do is plead their clients and get them less jail time than dayotherwise would've had. ]

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Sorry for double post, damn OS 8.0.1...

[Anonymous]

Former public defender here . . . lawyer's don't "get people off." If they are acquitted, its by a jury because the government didn't prove its case. As it should be. If you are going to lock someone up you had better prove in court that they did it. And they had better have someone arguing their case for them, since they are up against the government with all its resources.

The system wouldn't work without defense lawyers. if they all went on strike, we would have no criminal justice system. if you want a strong and fair system, you support a vigorous defense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh Lord... Wait until the you hear what the DNA turned up.

The crazy supporters of the murderer is going to eat crow times 4.

1 has there been a murder?

Yes, at least 1. But you are going to wait until it all comes out.....

Interesting insight. Wonder why he is not charged with murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh Lord... Wait until the you hear what the DNA turned up.

The crazy supporters of the murderer is going to eat crow times 4.

1 has there been a murder?

Yes, at least 1. But you are going to wait until it all comes out.....

Interesting insight. Wonder why he is not charged with murder.

He is not charged with anything yet... He has just been arrested. That's the way it works... Jackpot!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh Lord... Wait until the you hear what the DNA turned up.

The crazy supporters of the murderer is going to eat crow times 4.

1 has there been a murder?

Yes, at least 1. But you are going to wait until it all comes out.....

As are you since you have no clue what actually happened.

[Anonymous]

When are the freaking DNA evidence expected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former public defender here . . . lawyer's don't "get people off." If they are acquitted, its by a jury because the government didn't prove its case. As it should be. If you are going to lock someone up you had better prove in court that they did it. And they had better have someone arguing their case for them, since they are up against the government with all its resources.

The system wouldn't work without defense lawyers. if they all went on strike, we would have no criminal justice system. if you want a strong and fair system, you support a vigorous defense.

Amen. And thank you for your service. Signed, a former public defender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When are the freaking DNA evidence expected?

I meant results.. Gosh this is so frustrating..

[Anonymous]

Maybe they won't share anymore details except maybe if they find her because they can't let him be tried by the public. He will have his day in court and then the public can find out what evidence they gathered.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so I'm a corporate lawyer so only know a little about criminal law from school. If JM's lawyer knows where he is, doesn't his lawyer have to tell police? The crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege?

His lawyer doesn't know where he is.

I think his lawyer is allowed to break the privilege if it is about something that would be of great bodily harm to others. This guy might be dangerous but not in the sense that he would abduct and kill someone.

But that's exactly what he's Wanted for.

The lawyer must have specific reason to think the client will commit great harm to a specific person to break privilege. If the charges themselves were a basis to break privilege, there would be no privilege.

Corporate lawyer back. Thanks for clarifying. I have never understood how criminal defense lawyers can do what they do.

Lots of folks say that until those people need one. They are a necessary part of our adversarial system.

I know I know but I don't understand how someone can represent someone they know committed heinous crimes and get them off only to do it again. Not talking specifically about this case, just in general.

That's not how it works in the real world. In the real world 90% of what criminal attorneys do is plead their clients and get them less jail time than dayotherwise would've had. ]

Everyone--everyone--is entitled to a defense. But I totally understand your point.

[Anonymous]

Interesting that the cops still seem to think she may be found alive. WHAT DO THEY KNOW?!?