Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article why crown HS has to be built.

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2025/06/09/the-ticking-clock-for-crown-high-school/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKz2FtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmj_dkkdMJzSXZRrew-rKjqI9NwW__-Wamv1ZP7IxQinRH3TQabKa4by4MQc_aem_LyEHls_vtIrIgygDTlDYIw

I only read the excerpts from the article and not the actual agreement.

But it doesn't seem to say that Crown can't be used as a holding school, while they renovate existing schools, possibly making them bigger and allowing them to have a bigger area feed into them, which would help with balancing demographics and alleviate some of the overcrowding at other schools.

They haven't even identified a need for a HS holding school at all. Many schools can be rebuilt on site without moving students to a holding school. It just wasn't deemed feasible for Northwood, so that's why they're at Woodward now.

Wootton can not be rebuilt on site. They need a holding school. They barely have any land, there is only one entrance to the school on a very busy 1 lane road and they back up to a middle school with shared land. If anything, the new school has to have a smaller footprint (building up) so that they can actually have normal size fields and parking which they don't have compared to all other high schools. QO has more land and may be able to get away with not have a holding school, but the point is the board never thinks or plans ahead and keeps budget costs in mind.

Has that been explored as an option? Frost has 24.78 acres, which is very large for a middle school in MCPS. (15.5 acres is the standard recommended size.)

What are you trying say? Frost has some land but the building is small and old.

Perhaps a new HS building could be built on the land between the current buildings, not limited to Wootton's current acreage.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article why crown HS has to be built.

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2025/06/09/the-ticking-clock-for-crown-high-school/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKz2FtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmj_dkkdMJzSXZRrew-rKjqI9NwW__-Wamv1ZP7IxQinRH3TQabKa4by4MQc_aem_LyEHls_vtIrIgygDTlDYIw

I only read the excerpts from the article and not the actual agreement.

But it doesn't seem to say that Crown can't be used as a holding school, while they renovate existing schools, possibly making them bigger and allowing them to have a bigger area feed into them, which would help with balancing demographics and alleviate some of the overcrowding at other schools.

They haven't even identified a need for a HS holding school at all. Many schools can be rebuilt on site without moving students to a holding school. It just wasn't deemed feasible for Northwood, so that's why they're at Woodward now.

Wootton can not be rebuilt on site. They need a holding school. They barely have any land, there is only one entrance to the school on a very busy 1 lane road and they back up to a middle school with shared land. If anything, the new school has to have a smaller footprint (building up) so that they can actually have normal size fields and parking which they don't have compared to all other high schools. QO has more land and may be able to get away with not have a holding school, but the point is the board never thinks or plans ahead and keeps budget costs in mind.

Has that been explored as an option? Frost has 24.78 acres, which is very large for a middle school in MCPS. (15.5 acres is the standard recommended size.)

What are you trying say? Frost has some land but the building is small and old.

Perhaps a new HS building could be built on the land between the current buildings, not limited to Wootton's current acreage.

That’s a huge slope perfect for sledding but not for building anything. Please go there and take a look before making these stupid suggestions

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article why crown HS has to be built.

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2025/06/09/the-ticking-clock-for-crown-high-school/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKz2FtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmj_dkkdMJzSXZRrew-rKjqI9NwW__-Wamv1ZP7IxQinRH3TQabKa4by4MQc_aem_LyEHls_vtIrIgygDTlDYIw

I only read the excerpts from the article and not the actual agreement.

But it doesn't seem to say that Crown can't be used as a holding school, while they renovate existing schools, possibly making them bigger and allowing them to have a bigger area feed into them, which would help with balancing demographics and alleviate some of the overcrowding at other schools.

They haven't even identified a need for a HS holding school at all. Many schools can be rebuilt on site without moving students to a holding school. It just wasn't deemed feasible for Northwood, so that's why they're at Woodward now.

Wootton can not be rebuilt on site. They need a holding school. They barely have any land, there is only one entrance to the school on a very busy 1 lane road and they back up to a middle school with shared land. If anything, the new school has to have a smaller footprint (building up) so that they can actually have normal size fields and parking which they don't have compared to all other high schools. QO has more land and may be able to get away with not have a holding school, but the point is the board never thinks or plans ahead and keeps budget costs in mind.

Has that been explored as an option? Frost has 24.78 acres, which is very large for a middle school in MCPS. (15.5 acres is the standard recommended size.)

What are you trying say? Frost has some land but the building is small and old.

Perhaps a new HS building could be built on the land between the current buildings, not limited to Wootton's current acreage.

That’s a huge slope perfect for sledding but not for building anything. Please go there and take a look before making these stupid suggestions

I believe there's a creek between the two properties and is why there is a bridge to from the Wootton parking lot to the softball field which is at the bottom of the Frost hill.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article why crown HS has to be built.

https://montgomeryperspective.com/2025/06/09/the-ticking-clock-for-crown-high-school/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKz2FtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHmj_dkkdMJzSXZRrew-rKjqI9NwW__-Wamv1ZP7IxQinRH3TQabKa4by4MQc_aem_LyEHls_vtIrIgygDTlDYIw

I only read the excerpts from the article and not the actual agreement.

But it doesn't seem to say that Crown can't be used as a holding school, while they renovate existing schools, possibly making them bigger and allowing them to have a bigger area feed into them, which would help with balancing demographics and alleviate some of the overcrowding at other schools.

They haven't even identified a need for a HS holding school at all. Many schools can be rebuilt on site without moving students to a holding school. It just wasn't deemed feasible for Northwood, so that's why they're at Woodward now.

Wootton can not be rebuilt on site. They need a holding school. They barely have any land, there is only one entrance to the school on a very busy 1 lane road and they back up to a middle school with shared land. If anything, the new school has to have a smaller footprint (building up) so that they can actually have normal size fields and parking which they don't have compared to all other high schools. QO has more land and may be able to get away with not have a holding school, but the point is the board never thinks or plans ahead and keeps budget costs in mind.

Has that been explored as an option? Frost has 24.78 acres, which is very large for a middle school in MCPS. (15.5 acres is the standard recommended size.)

What are you trying say? Frost has some land but the building is small and old.

Perhaps a new HS building could be built on the land between the current buildings, not limited to Wootton's current acreage.

That’s a huge slope perfect for sledding but not for building anything. Please go there and take a look before making these stupid suggestions

You seem nice

[Anonymous]

All of this is moot anyway since the rebuilding project isn't even official.

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Anonymous wrote:Was reading those petitions, can someone explain to me how they benefit those who live outside Churchill and Wootton clusters? I understand that they don't want to change their boundaries, but keeping their current boundaries, doesn't it mean the other clusters will be more severely impacted in order to provide enough feed for Crown? If Crown becomes another TJ, then nobody's boundary needs to be touched, including theirs. But ONLY keep Churchill and Wootton together, aren't they part of MCPS?

I'm not saying it's the same thing but when you see groups feel threatened or trampled upon, you don't see them saying something like, "Hey you're violating my rights, let's come together and find a way where we can all get along..."

No, they march and protest saying that their group won't be threatened and they're only watching out for their own group.

Those maps are incredibly complex and hard to read and I would be impressed if anyone, with no formal background in it, would be able to view the entire map and find a way to make it work for the entire school system.

The best communities can do is advocate why the options do not work for their community. Then hopefully the decision makers, who hopefull does have this full view, can take it into account when proposing the final decision.

Of course not everyone will be happy. But if the communities see something that does not work for them, they need to make sure it's known otherwise people may not be aware of the potential issues they'll face.

I didn't really follow it but I know people were upset about the Seneca Valley and Clarksburg boundary process. Would you complain that those people were only watching out for their own communities too? Or is it that certain people don't have the same rights to advocate for themselves? Maybe because you think they have enough money or they're a certain demographic?

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Anonymous wrote:Wayside petitioners are out in force walking neighborhoods. Go Wayside!!

For those who aren’t familiar with Wayside/Churchill, the sense of community from K-12 among Wayside/Hoover/Churchill is unparalleled. Due to lots of shared programs across all three schools and the proximity. This is true for most of the schools in the cluster, but I’ve heard from plenty that Wayside and Beverly Farms have very close communities.

This is fantastic news as I am sure these families will continue their unparalleled sense of community in the Wayside/Wootton cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

+1 I don't know about major, but yes, Wootton boundary will change.

The thing is, Wootton is not overcrowded and is not projected to be overcrowded in the future. There was no reason to include Wootton in the Crown study in the first place, other than to target them for FARMS and DEI goals. Churchill could have been included in the other boundary study for Woodward to address their supposed overcrowding problem and Wootton left out of both studies. A lot of the Asian community in the Wootton district (not including me since I'm not Asian, but many in my neighborhood are) feel like the Board of Education is targeting them unfairly, and I can't really say I blame them. I agree with them that it's BS that Wootton was included in any of the boundary studies to begin with. The Board could accomplish all their goals without changing anything about the Wootton cluster, so it makes sense for the Wootton community to push back as much as possible on any boundary changes for Wootton. Will it work, maybe not, but they have to try, and being fatalistic about the result just guarantees their voices won't be heard.

Wootton is not overcrowded because their community always yells loudest to keep their school from becoming overcrowded and then other schools get overcrowded instead: see Fallsgrove being zoned for RM due to concerns about overcrowding even though its walking distance to Wootton and all thr Fallsgrove kids get busses to RM instead. Wootton is included because all neighboring clusters need to be included. Wootton continues to be undercapacity due to this exclusionary mindset and the fact that BoE has historically given in to their loud voices.

This could not be further from the truth. Ritchie park ES is zoned for RM to balance RM diversity. One part is actually split off Wootton to achieve this agenda.

Okay but again why is Fallsgrove zoned for Ritchie Park and not Lakewood? Fallsgrove kids could also walk to Lakewood. It is 100% about overcrowding concerns at Wootton as was mentioned by Mayor Krasnow at the City of Rockville council meeting in 2000 where they recommended placing Fallsgrove at RM due to overcrowding concerns at Wootton. That is the concern written in the meeting minites which you can read yourself:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rockvillemd.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/2868%3FMOBILE%3DON&ved=2ahUKEwj7r9y-1OGNAxVgRDABHVDCGPoQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw12Ih0sbKw42iu9zQV_4MJ8

Ah so this is where the 11th commandment for Montgomery County Public Schools comes from: “Thou shalt not overcrowd the sacred Wootton cluster.” How do we get that for other clusters?

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While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

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Anonymous wrote:While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

This would kill values of Kentlands houses. Kentlands already gets pulled down by the crazy HOA, detached garages and housing entering age/replacement territory. Adding going to a dangerous and poorly performing school will really kill it.

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Anonymous wrote:While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

This would be awful on so many levels..... We are all just praying it doesn't happen. I haven't seen any petitions going around though, like the ones in Potomac.

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Anonymous wrote:While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

This would kill values of Kentlands houses. Kentlands already gets pulled down by the crazy HOA, detached garages and housing entering age/replacement territory. Adding going to a dangerous and poorly performing school will really kill it.

QO is a dangerous and poorly performing school itself. All that’s happening is moving from one bad school to another. People in Kentlands don’t care and already send their kids to private.

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Seriously, if Wayside doesn’t want to move to Wootton, can Lakeland and Kentlands be moved in instead? We need a property values boos there.

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Anonymous wrote:While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

This would kill values of Kentlands houses. Kentlands already gets pulled down by the crazy HOA, detached garages and housing entering age/replacement territory. Adding going to a dangerous and poorly performing school will really kill it.

The HOA part is a known factor when people buy the house there. It's one of the reasons we didn't want to buy in Ketlands.

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Anonymous wrote:While Wayside complains about being moved from Churchill to Wootton, I wonder what do Kentlands/Lakelands think about being moved from Quince Orchard to Gaithersburg HS as proposed in Option 3.

This would be awful on so many levels..... We are all just praying it doesn't happen. I haven't seen any petitions going around though, like the ones in Potomac.

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