2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

This information is not correct for the same years. From Michigan CDS and UVA on SCHEV for 2022-2023

UVA 25/50/75 for SAT is 1400/1470/1520 with 53% reporting. For ACT it is 32/33/34 with 18% reporting. (Note to UVA, it should not take 6 months to fix an online Common Data Set!)

Michigan 25/50/75 for SAT is 1350/1470/1530 with 54% reporting. For ACT, it is 31/33/34 with 24% reporting.

Michigan is higher at 1 interval, UVA at 2 intervals, with 3 tied and with Michigan having slightly higher reporting percentage.

Well ... the information is from us news.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

If it's not correct, why are you guys harping on a few points gain for us news by umich?

SCHEV has the same stats. Last year's UVA incoming student had a 4.53 GPA at the 75th percentile (meaning 25% were above), a 34 ACT and/or a 1520 SAT. Median was 4.40, 1470, 33. Bottom 25th percentile was a 4.24/32/1400. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Again, the stats at the top are what are wrong and were what was questioned. They don't match what you just posted and they don't align with Michigan's common data set. This is what was at the top:

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

From US News:

"University of Virginia Admissions
University of Virginia admissions has an acceptance rate of 19% and an early acceptance rate of 24.9%. Half the applicants admitted to UVA who submitted test scores have an SAT score between 1400 and 1540 or an ACT score of 32 and 34. However, one quarter of admitted applicants achieved scores above these ranges and one quarter scored below these ranges. The application deadline at University of Virginia is Jan. 5."

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

This information is not correct for the same years. From Michigan CDS and UVA on SCHEV for 2022-2023

UVA 25/50/75 for SAT is 1400/1470/1520 with 53% reporting. For ACT it is 32/33/34 with 18% reporting. (Note to UVA, it should not take 6 months to fix an online Common Data Set!)

Michigan 25/50/75 for SAT is 1350/1470/1530 with 54% reporting. For ACT, it is 31/33/34 with 24% reporting.

Michigan is higher at 1 interval, UVA at 2 intervals, with 3 tied and with Michigan having slightly higher reporting percentage.

Well ... the information is from us news.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

If it's not correct, why are you guys harping on a few points gain for us news by umich?

SCHEV has the same stats. Last year's UVA incoming student had a 4.53 GPA at the 75th percentile (meaning 25% were above), a 34 ACT and/or a 1520 SAT. Median was 4.40, 1470, 33. Bottom 25th percentile was a 4.24/32/1400. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Again, the stats at the top are what are wrong and were what was questioned. They don't match what you just posted and they don't align with Michigan's common data set. This is what was at the top:

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

From US News:

"University of Virginia Admissions
University of Virginia admissions has an acceptance rate of 19% and an early acceptance rate of 24.9%. Half the applicants admitted to UVA who submitted test scores have an SAT score between 1400 and 1540 or an ACT score of 32 and 34. However, one quarter of admitted applicants achieved scores above these ranges and one quarter scored below these ranges. The application deadline at University of Virginia is Jan. 5."

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

Which is wrong based on the CDS/SCHEV, which is what the university attests to. It is 1400-1520. But you are just focusing on UVA. I also pointed out that what the PP showed for Michigan ( 1340-1520, 31-34) is wrong based on BOTH USNWR and the CDS. USNWR shows 1350-1530, for Michigan, same as the CDS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

This information is not correct for the same years. From Michigan CDS and UVA on SCHEV for 2022-2023

UVA 25/50/75 for SAT is 1400/1470/1520 with 53% reporting. For ACT it is 32/33/34 with 18% reporting. (Note to UVA, it should not take 6 months to fix an online Common Data Set!)

Michigan 25/50/75 for SAT is 1350/1470/1530 with 54% reporting. For ACT, it is 31/33/34 with 24% reporting.

Michigan is higher at 1 interval, UVA at 2 intervals, with 3 tied and with Michigan having slightly higher reporting percentage.

This is incorrect UVA sat average is 100 points higher. I'm a guidance counselor at a prominent VA high school.

Which once again demonstrates that high school guidance counselors were bad when I attended school 50 years ago and haven’t improved since.

So true. Even USNWR was smart enough to eliminate the high school guidance counselors rankings a few year ago.

I actually found that ranking very interesting though since their impressions of a school can be important to the students they work with (and important for colleges to understand).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

We shouldn't get too carried away though. Michigan isn't UVA but it also isn't Berkeley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

This information is not correct for the same years. From Michigan CDS and UVA on SCHEV for 2022-2023

UVA 25/50/75 for SAT is 1400/1470/1520 with 53% reporting. For ACT it is 32/33/34 with 18% reporting. (Note to UVA, it should not take 6 months to fix an online Common Data Set!)

Michigan 25/50/75 for SAT is 1350/1470/1530 with 54% reporting. For ACT, it is 31/33/34 with 24% reporting.

Michigan is higher at 1 interval, UVA at 2 intervals, with 3 tied and with Michigan having slightly higher reporting percentage.

Well ... the information is from us news.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

If it's not correct, why are you guys harping on a few points gain for us news by umich?

SCHEV has the same stats. Last year's UVA incoming student had a 4.53 GPA at the 75th percentile (meaning 25% were above), a 34 ACT and/or a 1520 SAT. Median was 4.40, 1470, 33. Bottom 25th percentile was a 4.24/32/1400. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Again, the stats at the top are what are wrong and were what was questioned. They don't match what you just posted and they don't align with Michigan's common data set. This is what was at the top:

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

From US News:

"University of Virginia Admissions
University of Virginia admissions has an acceptance rate of 19% and an early acceptance rate of 24.9%. Half the applicants admitted to UVA who submitted test scores have an SAT score between 1400 and 1540 or an ACT score of 32 and 34. However, one quarter of admitted applicants achieved scores above these ranges and one quarter scored below these ranges. The application deadline at University of Virginia is Jan. 5."

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

Which is wrong based on the CDS/SCHEV, which is what the university attests to. It is 1400-1520. But you are just focusing on UVA. I also pointed out that what the PP showed for Michigan ( 1340-1520, 31-34) is wrong based on BOTH USNWR and the CDS. USNWR shows 1350-1530, for Michigan, same as the CDS.

Please contact US news and make your dispute with them. According to US news and even your data, UVA students have slightly better SAT/ACT scores than Umich.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

We shouldn't get too carried away though. Michigan isn't UVA but it also isn't Berkeley.

In this metric, Michigan = Berkeley.
UVA isn't even on the list.

What was your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

We shouldn't get too carried away though. Michigan isn't UVA but it also isn't Berkeley.

In this metric, Michigan = Berkeley.
UVA isn't even on the list.

What was your point?

That Michigan is a great school that is better than UVA. I don't think it is equal to or better than Berkeley though.
Also, using top 10 grad program rankings isn't all that relevant to what has primarily been an undergrad discussion (on a thread about undergrad rankings).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

This information is not correct for the same years. From Michigan CDS and UVA on SCHEV for 2022-2023

UVA 25/50/75 for SAT is 1400/1470/1520 with 53% reporting. For ACT it is 32/33/34 with 18% reporting. (Note to UVA, it should not take 6 months to fix an online Common Data Set!)

Michigan 25/50/75 for SAT is 1350/1470/1530 with 54% reporting. For ACT, it is 31/33/34 with 24% reporting.

Michigan is higher at 1 interval, UVA at 2 intervals, with 3 tied and with Michigan having slightly higher reporting percentage.

Well ... the information is from us news.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

If it's not correct, why are you guys harping on a few points gain for us news by umich?

SCHEV has the same stats. Last year's UVA incoming student had a 4.53 GPA at the 75th percentile (meaning 25% were above), a 34 ACT and/or a 1520 SAT. Median was 4.40, 1470, 33. Bottom 25th percentile was a 4.24/32/1400. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Again, the stats at the top are what are wrong and were what was questioned. They don't match what you just posted and they don't align with Michigan's common data set. This is what was at the top:

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

From US News:

"University of Virginia Admissions
University of Virginia admissions has an acceptance rate of 19% and an early acceptance rate of 24.9%. Half the applicants admitted to UVA who submitted test scores have an SAT score between 1400 and 1540 or an ACT score of 32 and 34. However, one quarter of admitted applicants achieved scores above these ranges and one quarter scored below these ranges. The application deadline at University of Virginia is Jan. 5."

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/uva-6968/applying

Which is wrong based on the CDS/SCHEV, which is what the university attests to. It is 1400-1520. But you are just focusing on UVA. I also pointed out that what the PP showed for Michigan ( 1340-1520, 31-34) is wrong based on BOTH USNWR and the CDS. USNWR shows 1350-1530, for Michigan, same as the CDS.

Please contact US news and make your dispute with them. According to US news and even your data, UVA students have slightly better SAT/ACT scores than Umich.

Remember you now have to caveat that by saying "of those who report scores!" I wonder what happens with the standardized tests over the next 5-10 years. Any guesses?

[Anonymous]

UVA is superior to Michigan why is this even a debate. My DS had a full ride offered to him out of state to Michigan last year for engineering but he turned it down for full sticker in state UVA because in our social circles you will be ostracized for picking an inferior school. UVA>>>Michigan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

We shouldn't get too carried away though. Michigan isn't UVA but it also isn't Berkeley.

In this metric, Michigan = Berkeley.
UVA isn't even on the list.

What was your point?

That Michigan is a great school that is better than UVA. I don't think it is equal to or better than Berkeley though.
Also, using top 10 grad program rankings isn't all that relevant to what has primarily been an undergrad discussion (on a thread about undergrad rankings).

There is no doubt that Berkeley is better in most shared head to head departmental comparisons between the two schools. The difference is that Michigan offers a fuller spectrum of college disciplines and experiences. It is a more complete university on one campus than Berkeley. The fine and performing arts don’t take a back seat to the natural and social sciences. Health related education (medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, etc.) isn’t located at another semi-affiliated campus elsewhere. The excellence is spread out in all areas of endeavor, including athletics where it is strongly supported by enthusiastic students and alumni. There really is no other school in this country that does so many things as well and on such a grand scale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is superior to Michigan why is this even a debate. My DS had a full ride offered to him out of state to Michigan last year for engineering but he turned it down for full sticker in state UVA because in our social circles you will be ostracized for picking an inferior school. UVA>>>Michigan

Congrats on the troll post of the day. Feel better now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has slightly better SAT/ACT averages than UMich.

UVA: 1400-1540, 32-34
Umich; 1340-1520, 31-34

It's silly to claim Umich is definitely a better school. It's larger and colder for sure. The rest ...

Shall we bring up all the rankings where Michigan beats UVA? Like. in. every. single. one. This discussion is about school rankings, specifically at USNWR.

List of schools ranked by number of graduate programs ranked in the top 10, which shows the clear UVA advantage over Michigan . . . oops

Public and Private Universities With the Most Top 10 Graduate Schools, Programs and Specialties in the New 2023-24 U.S. News Rankings

Rank University Number of Top 10 Rankings
1 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor 59
1 University of California, Berkeley 59
3 Stanford University 56
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 52
5 Harvard University 45
6 Columbia University 41
7 University of Texas at Austin 38
8 Princeton University 31
9 University of California–Los Angeles 29
10 University of Chicago 28
11 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 27
12 University of Pennsylvania 26
13 Duke University 25
13 California Institute of Technology 25
15 New York University 24
15 University of Washington 24

The above illustrates what truly separates Berkeley and Michigan from the rest of our nation’s public universities.

We shouldn't get too carried away though. Michigan isn't UVA but it also isn't Berkeley.

In this metric, Michigan = Berkeley.
UVA isn't even on the list.

What was your point?

That Michigan is a great school that is better than UVA. I don't think it is equal to or better than Berkeley though.
Also, using top 10 grad program rankings isn't all that relevant to what has primarily been an undergrad discussion (on a thread about undergrad rankings).

There is no doubt that Berkeley is better in most shared head to head departmental comparisons between the two schools. The difference is that Michigan offers a fuller spectrum of college disciplines and experiences. It is a more complete university on one campus than Berkeley. The fine and performing arts don’t take a back seat to the natural and social sciences. Health related education (medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, etc.) isn’t located at another semi-affiliated campus elsewhere. The excellence is spread out in all areas of endeavor, including athletics where it is strongly supported by enthusiastic students and alumni. There really is no other school in this country that does so many things as well and on such a grand scale.

I'm a big Michigan fan but it might as well be multiple campuses with the actual physical geography of it now. It is a valid point that the medical school and hospital are U of M rather than loosely affiliated via UCSF though.

Harvard and Stanford are the standard bearers in American higher ed but its true that even they don't have the breadth that Michigan does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people just jealous of us UVA grads. JEALOUS

Obnoxious and immature.