Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Unf@ckingbelievable

Warning: hard to watch parents in distress

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dyXtymq-A6w

It looks like the coos were busy tackling hysterical parents while their kids were getting slaughtered inside.

And Reps complain about police reform.

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Ted Cruz is going to be Ted Cruz, but this an especially wrong belief now that we've seen the police standing outside doing nothing while the slaughter was going on inside. It's a fantasy of what happens in these situations, nothing more.

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Volunteer Fire Marshal and Public Safety Expert Ted Cruz has some thoughts

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It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

Ok, Neville Chamberlain.

They could’ve rescued shot kids. Instead, these kids were left to bleed out for 90 minutes.

Pathetic.

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Can’t wait to hear more about the brave local first responders on the SWAT team who appear to have done nothing for at least 40 minutes. And what training did CBP tactical team have in responding to an incident at a school?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

Oh look, another apologist. Since you apparently are so okay with what happened, hopefully the next time this happens and the cops just stand around outside letting it happen, it will be your kid inside instead of mine. Because I care enough to hold people accountable and you don’t.

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Ted Cruz is going to be Ted Cruz, but this an especially wrong belief now that we've seen the police standing outside doing nothing while the slaughter was going on inside. It's a fantasy of what happens in these situations, nothing more.

Yep what happens when one gun man holds the only point of access while another kills everyone in the building or you line up the hostages in the one entrance so the police have to shoot through the hostages. That happened in Russia. I bet Cruz and republicans will say how could we know this would happen?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

The city has its own SWAT team. Unfortunately it’s relevant expertise seems to be limited to playing dress up and tweeting out photos.

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If the trained resource officers just ran away, what do they expect teachers to do?

I doubt he or she had much training. It is interesting how people think underpaid security officers are going to throw themselves in front of bullets.

Yet we waste money arming our schools like prisons instead of doing the obvious like doing licensing for guns the way cars are licensed. And holding gun manufacturers responsible by letting them be sued when they are criminally negligent. You can sue a car manufacturer but Congress gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits. Talk about national priorities….l

What about fatherless homes?

+1. As a tweet I read today said:

Start with a boy. Take away his father. Give him a drug-addicted, unwed mother. Sit him in front of a computer all day. Feed him porn, tik-tok videos and other "content." Give him no guidance, no moral compass, no religious training. Start him on drugs for some condition. Close his school and isolate him. This is how you make a school shooter. Every single one of them.

You forgot about the part where he then went to the store and bought an automatic rifle designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. This same boy exists in other countries, but he can't get the weapons...

Oh really? You think there is no gun violence in Asia, South America, Central America, the Middle East....? You don't get out much, do you?

Dipshit: America is "number one" in school shootings. U-S-A! U-S-A!

DP. Then GTFO of my country. Many countries shootings go unreported or their ass is covered by the leftist government/media

Gun violence in Central American countries is extremely common. In Honduras, the homicide rate is many times the global average. Because of heavily armed gangs in Honduras, school shootings “are so common, they are subsumed quickly into the country's news cycle and barely register outside its borders.”. As such, the true number of school shootings in Honduras is unknown, but believed to be high. Mexico has experienced 17 reported school shootings since 2004. All of these incidents have resulted in zero to two deaths each. In each of the three shootings that had two deaths, one was the perpetrator. South Africa has experienced five school shootings since 1994, resulting in eight deaths in total.

Excluding China, several Asian nations have experienced school shootings. These include one in Taiwan (1962), two in Israel (1974 and 2008), one in Yemen (1997), one in the Philippines (1999), one in Thailand (2003), one in Lebanon (2007), one in India (2007), one in Azerbaijan (2009), and one in Pakistan. The "Peshawar siege" in 2014 was a Taliban attack that killed 145 (plus the gunmen), making it the deadliest school shooting in Asia

School shootings in other countries include on in Argentina (2004), one in New Zealand (1923), one in Nigeria (2013), and one in Kenya in 2015. The shooting in Kenya was a terrorist attack that killed 147 people and injured another 79.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

OH and fyi many of the texan parents own guns and don't blame the guns for the deaths.

This is a pathetic attempt. Comparing us to Central America? And a list of ONE in Taiwan, TWO in Israel, ONE in Yemen? Really? Next you'll be telling us how the universal right (for men) to bear arms has worked out so well in Afghanistan. SMDH

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

So the teacher was willing to die for her students while the police sat on their asses outside until they felt it was safe.

Let’s all remember this the next time we’re talking about how much funding should go to schools vs police.

Slow federal response caused the issue? BIDEN AGAIN

No, it was the local police who couldn’t be bothered doing anything. If they are incapable of acting until the real (federal) law enforcement arrives, their department probably should be defunded and the money given to schools, because at least schools are doing something.

I’m surprised CBP wasn’t too busy with their mission of dumping out caches of water left in the desert.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to hear more about the brave local first responders on the SWAT team who appear to have done nothing for at least 40 minutes. And what training did CBP tactical team have in responding to an incident at a school?

Did you miss Abbott’s press conference yesterday? That is exactly what he did and blame the mentally ill. Abbott praised the great response from law enforcement and local security. How they rushed in and confronted the killer. They got their man eventually. They did a great job! I am surprised he did not blame video games and porn. Anything but easy access to guns(that he just made possible). Now he and the rest of them are off to private suites at the NRA convention to formulate new talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Nothing is stopping us from increasing school security.

Everyone agrees on that.

Why not start there? We could start that today.

So the multiple police officers who exchanged gunfire with this shooter wearing body armor before he entered the building weren’t enough?

and people want teachers equipped with weapons. SMDH.

Yup. We've totally lost course as a country.

As a teacher, I feel like my job is to teach my subject, try to mentor and guide kids, but not to function as a full parent or security force! I have noted odd and concerning behaviors and shared them with our school counselor, but that's the extent of it. I'm not going to stand up in a classroom and care for these kids and in the next moment be able to whip out a gun and shoot someone dead. Even if a former or current student drew a gun, I'm not sure I could shoot to stop him.

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When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.