Another gunman, another elementary school

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

Texas allows teacher to carry under the state school marshals program. The school districts can pass their own rules regarding guns in schools so...nope, there could have been guns in the school if they desired.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what immature name calling of Republicans as pro-birther, pro-lifer, nut Trumpster will do. Just a child like tantrum here.

We could put metal detectors at schools. To stop shooters from entering schools.

Or, we can call Republicans mean names and talk about a fantasy world without guns. Your choice.

Or we can ban guns and make a “fantasy” come to life.

What do we do about the millions of guns that are already out there in people's homes, cars, bunkers, and waistbands?

Buy them, confiscate them, do whatever it takes one day at a time.

In many of these gun people's minds, though, it's like a showdown. Both parties' guns need to be taken at the exact same time, the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are both carrying. Think of a Western showdown cartoon. Seriously. This is how many gun owners and Republicans think. I know because I'm married to one and married into his family.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

More like uncomfortable because supporting a means to kill a classroom full of babies is about as indefensible a position as can be imagined.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

They are going to get their a$$es sued by every parent in that school.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

They are going to get their a$$es sued by every parent in that school.

Hell yes they are if they were negligent by allowing Ramos to waltz in.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

They were probably uncomfortable because they knew Abbott hadn’t done shit by way of response except waltz off to a political fundraiser and work on his NRA conference speech.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw the press conference it looked like some people on stage were uncomfortable….maybe they were uncomfortable with the lies coming out of abbott’s mouth? I doubt it.

They are going to get their a$$es sued by every parent in that school.

Hell yes they are if they were negligent by allowing Ramos to waltz in.

Abbott needs to resign.

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Reports coming out that the police waited outside the school for over an hour while the shooter was inside. Kids were bleeding out while they were too much of cowards to help. Despicable. They should all be fired. Cops are not the answer!

I thought Texas had many good guys with guns who will protect their people. Where were they?

Not having their guns because the school is a no gun zone and they follow the law. Unlike people who want to shoot other people, who do not follow the law.

There was at least one armed officer at the school. Plus others who reportedly responded after the shooter crashed his truck. The police are on record that they “engaged” with the shooter before he entered the school.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

DP. And the psycho with a machine gun would blow right through your door. I mean, locks didn’t work at Sandy Hook because the shooter shot his way through the door.

You assume. You don't know. Maybe all officers needed was a delay. And what if the classroom door was locked too. But like what I stated previously, if Ramos came to your house with an AR-15, you would lock the door. But I suppose you may play devils advocate here and allege the lock is useless, calling police useless, and you'd just leave the door open and see.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

Because schools don’t have windows.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not fair to beat up these LEOs. We don't know the situation at all. Once the guy is in you can't really just barge in without having a plan. The shooter already was in - that room was totally shot up. I mean once he's locked into a room he's not going anywhere and the damage is done. You have to ensure the safety of everyone else in there. You can't just go in and shoot it up so they followed protocol and waited for SWAT. It's not like the movies people. I would suggest the right questions are why he's able to get in at all. You can fault not getting him in outside of the school but once he's in and barricaded there's not much you can do. I don't know if they knew he was barricaded or not but look at any other shooting at as school and the shooters either Jill themselves inside the school or outside the school. Or if you are already inside and can engage them but to blindly just go in shooting is not really sensible. I think it's easier to be angry in hindsight but in the moment they had to be sure they could get him. Of course it's infuriating this could happen at all, it's absolutely horrific he could be in and get into a room at all. But really you don't know the reason they waited to go in and maybe they were getting other kids out in the meantime which is the best they could have done.

This is standard practice. I did my first active shooter training when I started teaching at JHU. The trainer was a retired LEO and he told us "you need to understand this is not the movies. No one is coming to save you. It's most likely that you will encounter law enforcement after the shooting stops." There is so much magical thinking about what officers can do in situations where a murderer can kill so many in such a short amount of time, when they can shatter doors (my child's school sent out a long message about school security, but they still have those glass doors that a shooter could be through in seconds), and that's not even getting into the body armor (the security guard in Buffalo hit the shooter but still couldn't stop him). And, if LEOs are more aggressive they will risk friendly fire deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

Because schools don’t have windows.

Congratulations - you win I just want to play devils advocate all day in a childlike manner. You must be a fun person to be around.

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Anonymous wrote:How was Ramos able to enter the school? Were the doors unlocked, and anybody could just walk in holding a machine gun?

How did he gets machined gun?

I heard he bought the gun at a store. But how did he enter the school was the question I asked - was it not locked? Our public is locked after school starts.

Do you think a locked door is stopping a guy with a machine gun? Jfc.

Yes, I do. For a while at least, maybe he could have been shot by an officer outside. We have locks on our house and office. Locks are a great device for doors. If used.

Sandy Hook was locked.

Stop playing devils advocate. You lock your home front door. You lock your car. You have a keychain with keys for locks. And if a psycho with a machine gun came to your house, you damn well know you'd lock the door.

I’m not saying schools (or homes) should not be locked. Of course they should. I’m just saying that unless you want the buildings to be windowless, the AR15 will win every time.