What are you trying to accomplish here? You are arguing in absolutes ("absolutely" a roadblock). National league teams can have kids based on merit AND kids based on politics. Every national league team around here has kids from outside of their club or pathway. Take a look at all the U13 National league teams around here that just formed. |
Rant and repeat Karen at it again. |
How cute! You think having a “pathway” means kids in these ancillary clubs actually have a leg up at tryouts? Let me know how many slots Sterling, Herndon, Villareal, and Mt Vernon have guaranteed at FVU? Funny, I hear the new U13G team has Loudoun, McLean, NVA. But haven’t heard that any girls from these “pathway” clubs made. Do tell! |
I said it was absolutely a roadblock for “many” players. There are probably only a handful of real standout kids in each age group that can walk in cold to a tryout and make an ECNL team. “Most” players need to be vouched for, need to be “seen” under the right circumstances. I am not trying to accomplish anything but simply noting that having a pathway is a huge advantage to the club and to state otherwise is utter nonsense. |
This pathway to one team per age group definitely looks more promising: Fairfax Virginia Union is a growing club built on a new and exciting partnership between Braddock Road Youth Club (BRYC), Herndon Youth Soccer (HYS), Lee Mount Vernon Sports Club (LMVSC), Virginia Valor FC (Valor), Villarreal Virginia Academy (VIVA), and Vienna Youth Soccer (VYS). |
Well said. Didn’t a bunch of GFR girls get “vouched for” to be “seen” by Bethesda? Doesn’t seem like a bad pathway for them. |
Even from the feeder clubs, there was a limited opportunity to be vouched for and seen. It’s not like FVU coaches looked at entire U12 teams. Plenty of kids still got overlooked in the process. And many of the kids for whom that did happen still did not make FVU. The reality is that it’s a huge bottleneck from U12 pre ECNL/RL to U13 ECNL, especially on the boys side. |
This really only works in a meaningful way as a pathway for the former BRAVE clubs and really for VYS because of the MV connection. I’ve seen zero evidence of any leg up for the new “alliance” clubs in team rosters. The rosters are public except the new u13s. Go take a look. Joining as a minor ancillary club in that way would not be a “huge advantage” and it’s utter nonsense to say otherwise. A “pathway” can only help a club if it’s the lead or at least a major partner in the alliance. |
This! If there is not overlap between the leadership of the feeder club and the leadership of the ECNL club, there is no advantage. I think the ECNL clubs have to show the league they that are alliances or pathways on paper. In reality, they heavily favor the players from the lead club(s) if all other factors are equal. Some years it may not work out that way because the lead club is weak at that age group. But when there are a lot of players who are roughly even, the lead club kids get the spots. |
Ohhhh so Cheerleader Karen thinks pathways ARE good now … but it needs to prove its leadership opportunities. That’s rich! You’ll believe anything NM writes on here, right? Join an alliance and have your coaches and players outperform the other member teams. Arlington and Bethesda are huge so they don’t have that issue but PWSI and VSA battle back and forth for VDA dominance. And last I heard Valor (a new lesser alliance member) got most slots of the alliance on FVU. |
| No way is that true about Valor, their training is terrible lol |
There are like 4 girls on the 2014 team that are good, that presumably made FVU. Coaches and clubs love to take credit when it's really just luck (for the club) that a group of talented players came through and happen to stick around for a couple of years before moving on to higher levels. The good players are good because of natural talent + outside training. The real test is when a club produces consistently good teams across age groups and genders and when there isn't a huge gap between first and second teams. |
Yes it’s true and clearly those girls were helped by the alliance and pathway given to them. Too bad GFR girls don’t have that option (except a few that were quietly given a private look at Bethesda). |
| Saying four girls from valor made one team is VERY different then saying a lot of kids from valor make all the teams. And, considering how huge their rosters are, 4 on one team is not very significant. |
Also, I’m pretty confident that there are 4 girls in that age group at GFR that could have made that team if it’s what they wanted, pathway or no. |