Government Shutdown - Sep 2025 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

It actually doesn’t because none of the employees in the White House or Congress are getting paid right now.

TSA and air traffic control won't get paid. Once they sick out or walk out, the shutdown will end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

It actually doesn’t because none of the employees in the White House or Congress are getting paid right now.

Who cares about Congress. Trump will make exceptions for White House employees. This is how one party systems operate.

What type of exception? There is no money appropriated for their salaries. Even if they are excepted from furlough, they cannot be paid until the shutdown is resolved and money is appropriated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

And that is only the government employees and does not include the fact that ~60% of the government workforce is contractors who are not furloughed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So when will the Schumer Shutdown end?

He will cave before dinner, Democrats always cave.

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Anonymous wrote:So when will the Schumer Shutdown end?

He will cave before dinner, Democrats always cave.

Why didn’t he cave last night then?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a different pp and I am on vacation! It’s very nice not being in America for this and getting a bonus of not having my leave used up. I’m going to take off the beginning of October every year!! 😂

what makes you think you will be paid while furloughed? It is not a given.

Because Congress passed a bill in 2019 stating Fed workers will receive back pay during shutdowns! It is a given unless Trump and Vought break the law, which I wouldn’t put it past them.

Given their track record, I don’t expect them to respect this law AT ALL.

+1 budget for furlough without pay.
And then hear Trump brag about how much money he saved

Absolutely they aren't paying. My DH is a fed and he's being so weirdly nonchalant about this as if he's sure he'll get paid because there is a law. i work in a sector that has been devestated by illegal actions of this administration and think that's incredibly naive.

The latest shutdown memo from OPM says people will be paid.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/reference-materials/special-instructions-for-agencies-affected-by-a-possible-lapse-in-appropriations-starting-on-10-1-2025/

It says “based on laws currently in effect.” I look forward to the long court case about what happens when they change it and try to apply it retroactively. It’s like recessions but for furloughs!

You expect whatever the Hill negotiates to be a bill that removes retroactive pay for federal employees? In other words, you think the Democrats will vote to end the shutdown for less than they started with?

Even if Republicans blow up the filibuster and pass a bill solo, you realize congressional employees ALSO aren’t being paid during this shutdown, right? Will Congress decide not to pay their staff?

Why does it have to be part of the budget bill? Why can’t it be passed after? And perhaps they exempt essential employees who were working but not those that were furloughed. Do you think “regular Americans” would object to feds NOT getting paid when they don’t have to work? And it would further demoralize the feds. Win-win from their perspective.

You expect that that after an appropriations bill passes, enough Senate Democrats would then vote for a separate bill that requires employees not be paid for the past shutdown?

I hope not. I've lost faith in them.

What incentive would they have to vote for such a a bill after the government is open? Think for one second before you start spiraling into negativity.

I have been thinking for many seconds. Why not an illegal EO, like so many others, then wait years for it to be challenged in court? You just don't seem to understanding how this administration is functioning. I'm not spiraling, I'm planning.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a different pp and I am on vacation! It’s very nice not being in America for this and getting a bonus of not having my leave used up. I’m going to take off the beginning of October every year!! 😂

what makes you think you will be paid while furloughed? It is not a given.

Because Congress passed a bill in 2019 stating Fed workers will receive back pay during shutdowns! It is a given unless Trump and Vought break the law, which I wouldn’t put it past them.

Given their track record, I don’t expect them to respect this law AT ALL.

+1 budget for furlough without pay.
And then hear Trump brag about how much money he saved

Absolutely they aren't paying. My DH is a fed and he's being so weirdly nonchalant about this as if he's sure he'll get paid because there is a law. i work in a sector that has been devestated by illegal actions of this administration and think that's incredibly naive.

The latest shutdown memo from OPM says people will be paid.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/reference-materials/special-instructions-for-agencies-affected-by-a-possible-lapse-in-appropriations-starting-on-10-1-2025/

It says “based on laws currently in effect.” I look forward to the long court case about what happens when they change it and try to apply it retroactively. It’s like recessions but for furloughs!

You expect whatever the Hill negotiates to be a bill that removes retroactive pay for federal employees? In other words, you think the Democrats will vote to end the shutdown for less than they started with?

Even if Republicans blow up the filibuster and pass a bill solo, you realize congressional employees ALSO aren’t being paid during this shutdown, right? Will Congress decide not to pay their staff?

Why does it have to be part of the budget bill? Why can’t it be passed after? And perhaps they exempt essential employees who were working but not those that were furloughed. Do you think “regular Americans” would object to feds NOT getting paid when they don’t have to work? And it would further demoralize the feds. Win-win from their perspective.

You expect that that after an appropriations bill passes, enough Senate Democrats would then vote for a separate bill that requires employees not be paid for the past shutdown?

I hope not. I've lost faith in them.

What incentive would they have to vote for such a a bill after the government is open? Think for one second before you start spiraling into negativity.

I have been thinking for many seconds. Why not an illegal EO, like so many others, then wait years for it to be challenged in court? You just don't seem to understanding how this administration is functioning. I'm not spiraling, I'm planning.

If the administration, and not Congress, wanted to issue such an EO, they could have done that any time and already would have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My furlough notice says it "is expected to last 30 days or less". What happens if it goes beyond 30 days?

They do another notice.

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

And that is only the government employees and does not include the fact that ~60% of the government workforce is contractors who are not furloughed.

Where did you get this stat about government contractors? Many contractors are furloughed during shutdowns because stop work orders are issued.

[Anonymous]

When will this end? Monday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So when will the Schumer Shutdown end?

Chuck has to talk to Amy first

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My furlough notice says it "is expected to last 30 days or less". What happens if it goes beyond 30 days?

They do another notice.

They can start RIFs if it goes on beyond 30
days, right? Not that the ghoul Vought is one to play by the rules.

[Anonymous]

In other news, Taco Bamba is having a BOGO sale for anyone with a federal employee ID

[Anonymous]

my supervisor just got unfurloughed 5 min ago.