Government Shutdown - Sep 2025 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

Is that because many agencies didn't have anyone in charge to send out the email?

Donny Disfunction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

And that is only the government employees and does not include the fact that ~60% of the government workforce is contractors who are not furloughed.

Where did you get this stat about government contractors? Many contractors are furloughed during shutdowns because stop work orders are issued.

+1 and they cannot work if the federal client is not working because they cannot work without oversight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my supervisor just got unfurloughed 5 min ago.

Unfurloughed. Well that's a new term.

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So, the Supervisor got fired?

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

And that is only the government employees and does not include the fact that ~60% of the government workforce is contractors who are not furloughed.

Where did you get this stat about government contractors? Many contractors are furloughed during shutdowns because stop work orders are issued.

+1 and they cannot work if the federal client is not working because they cannot work without oversight.

For the first time ever, all contractors in our office have been instructed to continue working (and get paid) while employees are furloughed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a different pp and I am on vacation! It’s very nice not being in America for this and getting a bonus of not having my leave used up. I’m going to take off the beginning of October every year!! 😂

what makes you think you will be paid while furloughed? It is not a given.

Because Congress passed a bill in 2019 stating Fed workers will receive back pay during shutdowns! It is a given unless Trump and Vought break the law, which I wouldn’t put it past them.

Given their track record, I don’t expect them to respect this law AT ALL.

+1 budget for furlough without pay.
And then hear Trump brag about how much money he saved

Absolutely they aren't paying. My DH is a fed and he's being so weirdly nonchalant about this as if he's sure he'll get paid because there is a law. i work in a sector that has been devestated by illegal actions of this administration and think that's incredibly naive.

The latest shutdown memo from OPM says people will be paid.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/reference-materials/special-instructions-for-agencies-affected-by-a-possible-lapse-in-appropriations-starting-on-10-1-2025/

It says “based on laws currently in effect.” I look forward to the long court case about what happens when they change it and try to apply it retroactively. It’s like recessions but for furloughs!

You expect whatever the Hill negotiates to be a bill that removes retroactive pay for federal employees? In other words, you think the Democrats will vote to end the shutdown for less than they started with?

Even if Republicans blow up the filibuster and pass a bill solo, you realize congressional employees ALSO aren’t being paid during this shutdown, right? Will Congress decide not to pay their staff?

Why does it have to be part of the budget bill? Why can’t it be passed after? And perhaps they exempt essential employees who were working but not those that were furloughed. Do you think “regular Americans” would object to feds NOT getting paid when they don’t have to work? And it would further demoralize the feds. Win-win from their perspective.

You expect that that after an appropriations bill passes, enough Senate Democrats would then vote for a separate bill that requires employees not be paid for the past shutdown?

I hope not. I've lost faith in them.

What incentive would they have to vote for such a a bill after the government is open? Think for one second before you start spiraling into negativity.

I have been thinking for many seconds. Why not an illegal EO, like so many others, then wait years for it to be challenged in court? You just don't seem to understanding how this administration is functioning. I'm not spiraling, I'm planning.

There are NO GUARDRAILS. NO CHECKS AND BALANCES. NONE.

[Anonymous]

Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

I know you are thinking why would brilliant people support this? Monopolies. Economic monopolies lead to political monopolies, just like in Nazi Germany. Billionaires think the democratic state is conspiring against them, holding them back from implementing their brilliant ideas with their dumb laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

I know you are thinking why would brilliant people support this? Monopolies. Economic monopolies lead to political monopolies, just like in Nazi Germany. Billionaires think the democratic state is conspiring against them, holding them back from implementing their brilliant ideas with their dumb laws.

Your argument is that they will shutdown the government “forever” but also pay their preferred people while it’s shutdown. Where is the money coming from in that scenario? Be specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

I know you are thinking why would brilliant people support this? Monopolies. Economic monopolies lead to political monopolies, just like in Nazi Germany. Billionaires think the democratic state is conspiring against them, holding them back from implementing their brilliant ideas with their dumb laws.

Your argument is that they will shutdown the government “forever” but also pay their preferred people while it’s shutdown. Where is the money coming from in that scenario? Be specific.

That's actually not a hard question. The Treasury HAS money from tax collection, fees, revenues, etc. The appropriations process is Congress giving permission and direction for spending it.

Do you know which branch of government runs the Treasury? This year OMB already slowed release of my agency's appropriated funds from the Treasury to keep us from bring able to spend them all as Congress directed. What would keep them from doing the reverse? Just the Constitution? Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In other news, Taco Bamba is having a BOGO sale for anyone with a federal employee ID

I saw that, will it work for contractors with badges?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

I know you are thinking why would brilliant people support this? Monopolies. Economic monopolies lead to political monopolies, just like in Nazi Germany. Billionaires think the democratic state is conspiring against them, holding them back from implementing their brilliant ideas with their dumb laws.

Your argument is that they will shutdown the government “forever” but also pay their preferred people while it’s shutdown. Where is the money coming from in that scenario? Be specific.

That's actually not a hard question. The Treasury HAS money from tax collection, fees, revenues, etc. The appropriations process is Congress giving permission and direction for spending it.

Do you know which branch of government runs the Treasury? This year OMB already slowed release of my agency's appropriated funds from the Treasury to keep us from bring able to spend them all as Congress directed. What would keep them from doing the reverse? Just the Constitution? Good luck.

If they could do that they would have already. Why haven’t they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point you are all missing is that the government won't get unshut down. It's down and out permanently. It suits the executive branch of the current administration to be able to bypass congress. You are now in a one-party system. An autocracy. A dictatorship and the government will never look the same as it did yesterday.

Did you see that 77% of employees are NOT furloughed?

Is that because many agencies didn't have anyone in charge to send out the email?

Donny Disfunction.

That's how many are considered essential for government functions.

[Anonymous]

Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

People, genuinely, read Project 2025, especially the OMB section discussing aggressive use of the apportionment authority. Read the articles on the Center for Renewing America website about the unitary executive and how executive branch independence is unconstitutional. Read Curtis Yarvin's RAGE proposal. This was all laid out. It could have been prepared for and met with meaningful actions and challenges, but no - we get months of performative stupidity and now this pointless shutdown that is going to cause more damage and solve nothing.

[Anonymous]

The budget plan, if passed, will permanently fire thousands more feds. The budget cuts to the major federal agencies cannot be implemented without a brutal shrinkage of the labor force. Vought has always been working towards this, he said so.

So the threats of shutdown layoffs are only the start of what's coming down the pipe ANYWAY.

This is why Democrats cannot back down here. They cannot be seen to be complicit with this horrendous budget.

[Anonymous]

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Those of you who are like, "it will get challenged in court" or "there's no appropriation so it can't happen" or "Congress won't agree" have never lived in a dictatorship and/or have no imagination. The administration has had many brilliant people thinking about this for many years. It will happen.

People, genuinely, read Project 2025, especially the OMB section discussing aggressive use of the apportionment authority. Read the articles on the Center for Renewing America website about the unitary executive and how executive branch independence is unconstitutional. Read Curtis Yarvin's RAGE proposal. This was all laid out. It could have been prepared for and met with meaningful actions and challenges, but no - we get months of performative stupidity and now this pointless shutdown that is going to cause more damage and solve nothing.

Why don’t you just tell us what it says about where the money comes from in a scenario where government is shutdown forever and Congress never appropriates money again?