Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:This tidbit from a news article got my attention:

“Law enforcement agencies have prepared extensive security measures to address the risks of a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium. Five hundred to 800 Secret Service officers have been deployed to the Phoenix area to help secure the event.”

Our tax money at work.

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Anonymous wrote:Why so much fuss over such an inconsequential person who will be forgotten in six months?

This is why you folks keep losing.

They just don't get it do they?

I think the previous poster means Tyler Robinson. It's pretty clear that Charlie Kirk is not inconsequential nor will he be forgotten in six months.

I think you are wrong. I think the pp was indeed talking about Charlie Kirk and has no earthly idea just how consequential his life was. He will not be forgotten in 6 months, or 6 years or 20 years. And, this terrifies them.

Do you know who George Lincoln Rockwell was, poster?

Bumping this; curious to know if anybody here remembers George Lincoln Rockwell.

No

Well then, I wonder if anybody will really remember Charlie Kirk in 20 years.

Maybe because of the internet, but on the other hand, new content is always being made and it pushes the old content out of the spotlight.

TPUSA board has named Erika Kirk as her husband's successor, and she says she plans to visit college campuses and continue his debate shtick. From what I've seen of her, I doubt very much she'll be any good at it.

Many people had no idea who Charlie and Erika Kirk were to begin with. Will I remember him in 20 years, maybe. Probably not though.

Most older folks didn't know Charlie, unless they are very close political news followers like myself - and I only knew about him enough to know that I didn't want to know more, same as I feel about Ben Shapiro.

But if you're following the news at all, you might have seen that his reach to the youth of America and other countries was very expansive - like, most corporations would only wish to have the percentage name recognition of Charlie Kirk among high school and college age youth. Your kids if they're old enough have probably seen Kirk's content at one point or another.

Going to keep posting this to tell you all that he really wasn’t as well known and influential as you think he was.

Turning Point currently has about 3500 chapters at high schools and universities. Since his murder, they have received 62,000 requests to open new chapters. His influence is only growing.

62,000 individuals (according to TPUSA, who really knows?) reaching out requesting in the aftermath of his death while all of this is big news. How many of those folks will follow through with the work to make a chapter happen at their school? I recall being in high school and college and seeing lots of folks sign petitions and express interest in volunteering or what have and the majority never followed through - I know because they were causes I was actively participating in. We'll see what happens and what the situation is a year from now - anybody who pretends to know is just pretending.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s how Turning Point wants to indoctrinate American children. This was never a good faith debate. Charlie had an agenda and now his wife will expand it.

Are you under the impression that public schools are not currently indoctrinating children, that they have not become essentially mental illness factories? Are you defending the current state of education in the United States and saying that the status quo is acceptable?

That is a bold position.

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Anonymous wrote:This tidbit from a news article got my attention:

“Law enforcement agencies have prepared extensive security measures to address the risks of a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium. Five hundred to 800 Secret Service officers have been deployed to the Phoenix area to help secure the event.”

Our tax money at work.

Yes, we don't know who you democrats will shoot next.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone watching? Has it turned into a Trump rally yet?

The crowd here is massive! Never seen anything like it.

There is a crowd that massive that gathers in that same spot multiple Sundays a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This tidbit from a news article got my attention:

“Law enforcement agencies have prepared extensive security measures to address the risks of a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium. Five hundred to 800 Secret Service officers have been deployed to the Phoenix area to help secure the event.”

Our tax money at work.

Yes, we don't know who you democrats will shoot next.

Taylor Robinson was an unaffiliated non-voter who grew up in a MAGA family that doubtless rejected him for being gay/having a trans partner.

The best response I've seen from any pundit - I can't recall her name - to this incident is that we should all work a lot harder to love our children and accept them for who they become whether it fits with our preconceived expectations or not. This is a very hard thing for a lot of conservative parents, who prize respect for parents and other authority over any other character trait and often expand that to include their children conforming to their preconceived expectations of who those children should be, not for their own happiness, but to please their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This tidbit from a news article got my attention:

“Law enforcement agencies have prepared extensive security measures to address the risks of a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium. Five hundred to 800 Secret Service officers have been deployed to the Phoenix area to help secure the event.”

Our tax money at work.

Actually, it was THIS that caught my attention, not the number of SS agents: “ a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium.”

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to have much of the line of presidential succession in one place at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s how Turning Point wants to indoctrinate American children. This was never a good faith debate. Charlie had an agenda and now his wife will expand it.

Are you under the impression that public schools are not currently indoctrinating children, that they have not become essentially mental illness factories? Are you defending the current state of education in the United States and saying that the status quo is acceptable?

That is a bold position.

Correct. We’ve never partnered with 40 conservative and religious organizations to create school curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s how Turning Point wants to indoctrinate American children. This was never a good faith debate. Charlie had an agenda and now his wife will expand it.

Are you under the impression that public schools are not currently indoctrinating children, that they have not become essentially mental illness factories? Are you defending the current state of education in the United States and saying that the status quo is acceptable?

That is a bold position.

Correct. We’ve never partnered with 40 conservative and religious organizations to create school curriculum.

An employee of the conservative think tank, American enterprise Institute, offered the following comment on this initiative which puts it in perspective how very partisan it is:

“The announcement of the effort was vague, said Frederick M. Hess, director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, making it hard to tell what the coalition’s true purpose is.
“I suppose they can reasonably argue that this isn’t a national initiative, it’s a private effort that’s coordinated with the U.S. Department of Ed,” he said in an email. “But if a Democratic administration had done this, with an unapologetically progressive organization leading an unapologetically progressive coalition in concert with the Department, Republicans would be livid.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why so much fuss over such an inconsequential person who will be forgotten in six months?

This is why you folks keep losing.

They just don't get it do they?

I think the previous poster means Tyler Robinson. It's pretty clear that Charlie Kirk is not inconsequential nor will he be forgotten in six months.

I think you are wrong. I think the pp was indeed talking about Charlie Kirk and has no earthly idea just how consequential his life was. He will not be forgotten in 6 months, or 6 years or 20 years. And, this terrifies them.

Do you know who George Lincoln Rockwell was, poster?

Bumping this; curious to know if anybody here remembers George Lincoln Rockwell.

No

Well then, I wonder if anybody will really remember Charlie Kirk in 20 years.

Maybe because of the internet, but on the other hand, new content is always being made and it pushes the old content out of the spotlight.

TPUSA board has named Erika Kirk as her husband's successor, and she says she plans to visit college campuses and continue his debate shtick. From what I've seen of her, I doubt very much she'll be any good at it.

Many people had no idea who Charlie and Erika Kirk were to begin with. Will I remember him in 20 years, maybe. Probably not though.

Most older folks didn't know Charlie, unless they are very close political news followers like myself - and I only knew about him enough to know that I didn't want to know more, same as I feel about Ben Shapiro.

But if you're following the news at all, you might have seen that his reach to the youth of America and other countries was very expansive - like, most corporations would only wish to have the percentage name recognition of Charlie Kirk among high school and college age youth. Your kids if they're old enough have probably seen Kirk's content at one point or another.

Going to keep posting this to tell you all that he really wasn’t as well known and influential as you think he was.

Turning Point currently has about 3500 chapters at high schools and universities. Since his murder, they have received 62,000 requests to open new chapters. His influence is only growing.

62,000 individuals (according to TPUSA, who really knows?) reaching out requesting in the aftermath of his death while all of this is big news. How many of those folks will follow through with the work to make a chapter happen at their school? I recall being in high school and college and seeing lots of folks sign petitions and express interest in volunteering or what have and the majority never followed through - I know because they were causes I was actively participating in. We'll see what happens and what the situation is a year from now - anybody who pretends to know is just pretending.

If only half of them do, it is massive.

[Anonymous]

I’m surprised he hasn’t risen from the dead yet, the way they’re turning him into a new religion or something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone watching? Has it turned into a Trump rally yet?

The crowd here is massive! Never seen anything like it.

There were a dozen football games yesterday with crowds like that but OK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone watching? Has it turned into a Trump rally yet?

The crowd here is massive! Never seen anything like it.

There were a dozen football games yesterday with crowds like that but OK.

Its the overflow next door and those that can't get in you don't see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised he hasn’t risen from the dead yet, the way they’re turning him into a new religion or something.

Who George Floyd?

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Anonymous wrote:This tidbit from a news article got my attention:

“Law enforcement agencies have prepared extensive security measures to address the risks of a rare gathering with much of the presidential line of succession present inside an NFL stadium. Five hundred to 800 Secret Service officers have been deployed to the Phoenix area to help secure the event.”

Our tax money at work.

Yes, we don't know who you democrats will shoot next.

Taylor Robinson was an unaffiliated non-voter who grew up in a MAGA family that doubtless rejected him for being gay/having a trans partner.

The best response I've seen from any pundit - I can't recall her name - to this incident is that we should all work a lot harder to love our children and accept them for who they become whether it fits with our preconceived expectations or not. This is a very hard thing for a lot of conservative parents, who prize respect for parents and other authority over any other character trait and often expand that to include their children conforming to their preconceived expectations of who those children should be, not for their own happiness, but to please their parents.

Unlike all the DCUM parents who say they don't allow their children to even visit grandparents who espouse conservative beliefs? Unlike all the DCUM parents who hold a tight control over their children's college and career choices? Unlike all the DCUM parents who say they will only live in certain states and areas?