MASTER Cancel Travel b/c of COVID-19 Questions Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Friend and her doctor husband and kids are in Disney right and posting shamelessly all over FB.

How badly will you feel when they post sad sick faces? I wouldn't

My doctor husband is working at a hospital where there are coranaviris patients.

I would rather be the family who is at Disney.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Family trip to LA, San Diego, and Santa Barbara over spring break. Flying. All pretty young (DH is oldest at 45) - family trip. DS was gonna check out the UCs but I would imagine they may cancel tours. We were considering Universal but that seems like a bad idea. Should we still go? Airfare isn?t refundable but hotel is

Yes, cancel. I just cancelled during the MCPS spring break to some of those same cities. No one should be on planes or in places with large crowds. We need more information to prevent spreading this virus. You and your family may not get sick, of if you do, mildly so, but carriers are spreading this and putting vulnerable groups at risk serious illness including death. Until we have more conclusive imformation, help confine this. 9 cases in DC and that?s only detected. We just don?t have a handle on this except we sgould be washing our hands more thoroughly.

This response is really conservative. OP, if you're risk tolerance is moderate or higher, don't cancel yet. Wait and see how this develops as the date gets closer.

I am the 11:37 poster. Yes, this a conservative opinion — yet I am generally a risk taker. I am however an epidemiologist and do not have confidence in how the Admin is handling this. April is a little far out, so the poster can decide later, but I personally am not comfortable being a carrier or contracting on planes until we have more reliable data. The way to contain is not to spread. Healthy people in low-risk groups are being cavalier. They will not get sick but grandparents will. The aviation lobbies are strong. Cruise lines are generally registered in places like Liberia so there is little regulation once they are in maritime waters (if that‘s the correct term, not a lawyer). I’m generally a public transportation supporter, but this is when the AAA can step up and drive (pun intended) people to their cars and then to less crowded outdoor vacay spots.

Have to drive to MA this week. Common sense tells me to not use the NJ Turnpike stops but to go to less crowded, off the road stops. A lot of people don't have common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because of the desire to prop up the stock market and the travel industry, we are deliberately being TOLD to be cavalier. If the government isn't going to incentivize people to do the right thing, then it will just be the minority of nice people doing the right thing and the majority of selfish jerks doing what they please.

Did the government ground air travel and close cruise ports? Have they banned large public gatherings? People are taking their cues from that.

Many, if not most, are more ignorant than selfish. Like you said, there is little sense of urgency from leadership.

Go back and read this thread. These are not ignorant people posting here. Don't blame on others what you yourself can control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Israel forcing 2wk self-quarantine for all visitors from all countries:

https://www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-israeli-with-coronavirus-in-severe-condition-israel-may-quarantine-some-u-s-arrivals-1.8638322

Israel doesn't F around

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone should be prudent. You'll have other times to travel, so be smart this time and stay home.

Not sure why everyone is so attached to one trip anyway.

This. Is. How. It. Spreads.

But unless they force people to stop traveling, those who do travel will just bring it back to the rest of us. You’ll be waiting forever if the think the entire US is just going to suddenly comply.

Because we are children and very few of us are willing to make even the smallest compromise in the name of the common good. Not traveling would help to slow it down and dissipate the effect on the health care system. Let's hope your kid doesn't break their leg or get in accident whilst all this is going on.

Or get appendicitis or croup or RSV or, or, or. Overloading ERs has massive effects on everyone. Let's hope it doesn't get that far. Let's hope that spring/summer means that the virus goes into remission until Fall and gives us a reprieve and ability to catch our breaths and figure out what to do next. Let's hope. Because alternatives are scary. Many say this likely has the same death rate as the flu when all is said and done - but we have a vaccine for the flu - we don't for this. And it appears to only hit the old and infirm - meaning that the percentage is actually much higher for them. Let's protect them by not further spreading it and by taking this seriously so that they, too, take it seriously.

Just to clarify- do they mean the same death rate as the flu present day (with vaccine) or pre-vaccine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the desire to prop up the stock market and the travel industry, we are deliberately being TOLD to be cavalier. If the government isn't going to incentivize people to do the right thing, then it will just be the minority of nice people doing the right thing and the majority of selfish jerks doing what they please.

Did the government ground air travel and close cruise ports? Have they banned large public gatherings? People are taking their cues from that.

Many, if not most, are more ignorant than selfish. Like you said, there is little sense of urgency from leadership.

Go back and read this thread. These are not ignorant people posting here. Don't blame on others what you yourself can control.

Oh my bad, I thought we were talking about the U.S. population at large, not only the DCUM posters.

[Anonymous]

CHOI: (Through interpreter) I believe the surest way is to stop people's activities and movements. And I personally suspect that the government understands this and wants to impose stricter limits on social activities.

KUHN: But a domestic travel ban could be politically unpopular. And so far, Seoul hasn't even suggested one. As for Daegu, it remains unclear when case numbers there will peak and then begin to decline. Anthony Kuhn, NPR News, Seoul.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the desire to prop up the stock market and the travel industry, we are deliberately being TOLD to be cavalier. If the government isn't going to incentivize people to do the right thing, then it will just be the minority of nice people doing the right thing and the majority of selfish jerks doing what they please.

Did the government ground air travel and close cruise ports? Have they banned large public gatherings? People are taking their cues from that.

Many, if not most, are more ignorant than selfish. Like you said, there is little sense of urgency from leadership.

Go back and read this thread. These are not ignorant people posting here. Don't blame on others what you yourself can control.

Look- the CDC literally just recommended -today- that elderly people avoid travel. Most Americans are not armchair microbiologists that many of you profess to be and at most are monitoring mainstream news reports. Heck I'm a Fed and have been told to proceed with planned domestic work trips. Who am I to tell my SIL that they shouldn't go to Disney as planned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because of the desire to prop up the stock market and the travel industry, we are deliberately being TOLD to be cavalier. If the government isn't going to incentivize people to do the right thing, then it will just be the minority of nice people doing the right thing and the majority of selfish jerks doing what they please.

Did the government ground air travel and close cruise ports? Have they banned large public gatherings? People are taking their cues from that.

Many, if not most, are more ignorant than selfish. Like you said, there is little sense of urgency from leadership.

Go back and read this thread. These are not ignorant people posting here. Don't blame on others what you yourself can control.

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Welfish

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Friend and her doctor husband and kids are in Disney right and posting shamelessly all over FB.

How badly will you feel when they post sad sick faces? I wouldn't

My doctor husband is working at a hospital where there are coranaviris patients.

I would rather be the family who is at Disney.

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Hope you husband stays safe. I would not want to be at Disney right now. Not a risk taker as those still embarking on cruises.

[Anonymous]

Flipping it around a bit - would you go to D.C. for spring break?

I’m headed to D.C. from London for Easter 2 upper elementary kids with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would you let your teenaged child fly from Miami to Cancun for a week right now?

I wouldn’t even if there wasn’t COVID19!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Flipping it around a bit - would you go to D.C. for spring break?

I’m headed to D.C. from London for Easter 2 upper elementary kids with me.

Yes, I would. I'm still going about daily life in and around D.C. I might avoid the metro as much as possible and just walk the city a bit more. And watch out for anyone in the Cherry Blossom crowds who appears to be ill. But, otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much.

[Anonymous]

So, there are 61 pages here. So far, because purchased through a consolidator, they won't refund and the airlines won't allow rebooking much less refunds. Where is the consumer support? Where does one turn?

If schools are going to be closed and we can self-quarantine, should we go or write off thousands and thousands -- which btw isn't painful for us?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, there are 61 pages here. So far, because purchased through a consolidator, they won't refund and the airlines won't allow rebooking much less refunds. Where is the consumer support? Where does one turn?

If schools are going to be closed and we can self-quarantine, should we go or write off thousands and thousands -- which btw isn't painful for us?

There isn't any 'consumer support'. Time to write off that check of thousands as a donation to the airline. Enjoy.