Herndon club

[Anonymous]

Why pay $3200 when you can pay $50 for rec and get the same practice fields and number of games?

[Anonymous]

My son and daughter have both played on RL teams (not for Herndon) and never had a roster with fewer than 17 players. 17-18 is the norm.Once they hit high school, usually several kids were injured at the same time.

How low are these Herndon RL rosters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son and daughter have both played on RL teams (not for Herndon) and never had a roster with fewer than 17 players. 17-18 is the norm.Once they hit high school, usually several kids were injured at the same time.

How low are these Herndon RL rosters?

You can see rosters on the RL website. Someone was talking about U19 boys. Is that 2007/08? That roster shows 17. The girls side only shows 13 which is definitely low. Others I looked at (boys and girls) seem to be 15-17. But not sure if some of those are players also rostered to red teams.

[Anonymous]

15 is way too low for an RL team. Assuming two keepers, that's only at most 3 subs. My kids HS team frequently has at least 3 kids injured at any time.

The 13 has to be a mistake. ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son and daughter have both played on RL teams (not for Herndon) and never had a roster with fewer than 17 players. 17-18 is the norm.Once they hit high school, usually several kids were injured at the same time.

How low are these Herndon RL rosters?

You can see rosters on the RL website. Someone was talking about U19 boys. Is that 2007/08? That roster shows 17. The girls side only shows 13 which is definitely low. Others I looked at (boys and girls) seem to be 15-17. But not sure if some of those are players also rostered to red teams.

I think it was the second U19 team that only had 11-12 players.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Having 2 teams with less players takes way more resources than one over rostered team. This logic doesn't make sense.

It makes you more money, because instead of sensibly having one, correctly rostered team, and cutting the extra ten kids, you stretttch and create two too-small teams, and get those ten kids' fees.

10 extra kids fees don't cover the league fees, tournament fees, coaches fees ect. That's why you carry a larger roster. The club will make way more$$ on one team with too many kids than 2 teams with not enough when you factor the costs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Having 2 teams with less players takes way more resources than one over rostered team. This logic doesn't make sense.

It makes you more money, because instead of sensibly having one, correctly rostered team, and cutting the extra ten kids, you stretttch and create two too-small teams, and get those ten kids' fees.

10 extra kids fees don't cover the league fees, tournament fees, coaches fees ect. That's why you carry a larger roster. The club will make way more$$ on one team with too many kids than 2 teams with not enough when you factor the costs.

They are way overcharging though, based on the field space they are assigning for practices and the "team fees" they charged. We payed $550 for a "tournament fee" for only 4 tournaments. Our team has 16 players. Do the math, they are going to keep thousands of dollars just from that alone.

So say an age group has two 15 player teams, instead of one 18 player team and cutting the remaining 12 kids who did not make the one team. They are squeezing teams on to tiny scraps of space to practice and ripping everyone off on tournament fees. If they just had one team, they wouldn't have the fees from the 12 kids they would have cut. I'm assuming they are making more money that way, otherwise why do it?

[Anonymous]

The unspent tournament fees will likely be refunded at the end of the year. Every team my dc has played on, the team fees were collected and the unspent funds used for a party at the end of the year, and then the TM gave back what wasn't spent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unspent tournament fees will likely be refunded at the end of the year. Every team my dc has played on, the team fees were collected and the unspent funds used for a party at the end of the year, and then the TM gave back what wasn't spent.

Were these Herndon teams?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspent tournament fees will likely be refunded at the end of the year. Every team my dc has played on, the team fees were collected and the unspent funds used for a party at the end of the year, and then the TM gave back what wasn't spent.

Were these Herndon teams?

No, but at other local clubs and even different sports (Hockey). I think its a universal thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Having 2 teams with less players takes way more resources than one over rostered team. This logic doesn't make sense.

It makes you more money, because instead of sensibly having one, correctly rostered team, and cutting the extra ten kids, you stretttch and create two too-small teams, and get those ten kids' fees.

10 extra kids fees don't cover the league fees, tournament fees, coaches fees ect. That's why you carry a larger roster. The club will make way more$$ on one team with too many kids than 2 teams with not enough when you factor the costs.

They are way overcharging though, based on the field space they are assigning for practices and the "team fees" they charged. We payed $550 for a "tournament fee" for only 4 tournaments. Our team has 16 players. Do the math, they are going to keep thousands of dollars just from that alone.

So say an age group has two 15 player teams, instead of one 18 player team and cutting the remaining 12 kids who did not make the one team. They are squeezing teams on to tiny scraps of space to practice and ripping everyone off on tournament fees. If they just had one team, they wouldn't have the fees from the 12 kids they would have cut. I'm assuming they are making more money that way, otherwise why do it?

That's not factoring the coaches salary, two teams even if it's joint practice with the same coach that coach will be paid more. That coach has to attend twice as many games. Pulling kids from A team to fill B team you aren't charging them more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Our RL team doesn't have enough players.

What team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Our RL team doesn't have enough players.

What team?

NP- I imagine its one the boys teams with only 15 or 16 players, or the girls team with 13 players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, as I stated weeks ago. These complaints are happening for years now. The problem is that in April/May, they actually do their job and everyone else goes to tryouts and signs back up. Once HYS has that money and have you locked in, then they go back to doing absolutely nothing for the fall season. They'll sign you up for random, new tournaments that HYS Admin runs, they'll give you whatever field is available while certain teams only will get appropriate space.
Not to mention, the younger age groups barely have enough players per team, they'll still make multiple teams to collect more $$, players will play on 2 different teams just so coaches can have a team to coach.
It's obvious they're also trying to rebuild the rec program so that's why they try to give them "safe" environments while I guess it doesn't matter if the older kids have to be "safe" If it's not safe for 13 year old girls, it's not safe for 14 year old boys

Having 2 teams with less players takes way more resources than one over rostered team. This logic doesn't make sense.

It makes you more money, because instead of sensibly having one, correctly rostered team, and cutting the extra ten kids, you stretttch and create two too-small teams, and get those ten kids' fees.

10 extra kids fees don't cover the league fees, tournament fees, coaches fees ect. That's why you carry a larger roster. The club will make way more$$ on one team with too many kids than 2 teams with not enough when you factor the costs.

They are way overcharging though, based on the field space they are assigning for practices and the "team fees" they charged. We payed $550 for a "tournament fee" for only 4 tournaments. Our team has 16 players. Do the math, they are going to keep thousands of dollars just from that alone.

So say an age group has two 15 player teams, instead of one 18 player team and cutting the remaining 12 kids who did not make the one team. They are squeezing teams on to tiny scraps of space to practice and ripping everyone off on tournament fees. If they just had one team, they wouldn't have the fees from the 12 kids they would have cut. I'm assuming they are making more money that way, otherwise why do it?

That's not factoring the coaches salary, two teams even if it's joint practice with the same coach that coach will be paid more. That coach has to attend twice as many games. Pulling kids from A team to fill B team you aren't charging them more.

I can confirm the 2007/2008 RL and EDP teams practice together. There are 2 coaches between them but sometimes the RL coach is MIA. DS believes the RL coach doesn’t have any investment in the EDP team for games. The EDP coach seems to be the RL coach’s assistant but that hasn’t been explained so I’m not sure. The issue is there is a huge drop off between RL and EDP for this particular age group. It’s like there should be a team in the middle. Presently the EDP team doesn’t even have a GK. If my child was rostered EDP, I’d be mad. Honestly, even as an RL parent, I feel ripped off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son and daughter have both played on RL teams (not for Herndon) and never had a roster with fewer than 17 players. 17-18 is the norm.Once they hit high school, usually several kids were injured at the same time.

How low are these Herndon RL rosters?

You can see rosters on the RL website. Someone was talking about U19 boys. Is that 2007/08? That roster shows 17. The girls side only shows 13 which is definitely low. Others I looked at (boys and girls) seem to be 15-17. But not sure if some of those are players also rostered to red teams.

For the boys u19 (07/08) we show 20 in PlayMetrics even though the ECNL app shows 17. Weird. Maybe they haven’t finished rostering with ECNL but the first game is this weekend.