Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths. be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon.

Yes, we are. Thankfully there are people with morals who think flushing a dead baby down a toilet is wrong.

honestly stFu. she should have been admitted to the hospital and given a D&C but that is now illegal in Ohio.

She was admitted but left against doctor advice.

[Anonymous]

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Don’t even try with actual facts. Most on this thread have created a narrative, and they’re sticking to it.

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Anonymous wrote:

so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Have you had a miscarriage that far along? Brittany sat at the Catholic hospital for 8 hours waiting to be treated while staff debated whether they could do an abortion.

I don't blame her for leaving. I miscarried at 11 weeks, was in a lot if pain and was waiting at the hospital for a D&C. I kept getting bumped because emergency cases kept coming in and the OR wasn't available my D&C. I was miserable. Staff said I could go home if I'd be more comfortable and they'd call me in the morning to come for the procedure. Believe you me, if I'd had to sit there was 8 hours like Brittany did while staff were dickering over whether I could get a D&C or not, I might have left like she did. That hospital failured her repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths. be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon.

Yes, we are. Thankfully there are people with morals who think flushing a dead baby down a toilet is wrong.

honestly stFu. she should have been admitted to the hospital and given a D&C but that is now illegal in Ohio.

She was admitted but left against doctor advice.

Because of sitting around for 8 hours while an “ethics” board dithered abiut allowing doctors to do what they should have done immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Don’t even try with actual facts. Most on this thread have created a narrative, and they’re sticking to it.

The FACTS that in any sane state at a non-Catholic hospital she would have been given a D&C immediately.

Have you ever had to sit around for 8 hours in a hospital bleeding and in pain, waiting to hear if the doctors are allowed to give you the treatment you needed? If not then STFU. You don’t know what that’s like.

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Did they give her a D&C when the doctor said she needed one? Well, did they?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She was hemorrhaging and was going to eventually die. She wanted so much privacy she was going to die. How does that make sense to you? You’d rather die than seek medical care? She could have called 911 and been transported to the hospital. She should have called 911 and been treated for her life threatening condition.

Your lack of empathy and inability to put yourself in her frame of mind is duly noted

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Anonymous wrote:

so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Did they give her a D&C when the doctor said she needed one? Well, did they?

+1

The religious nutters blocked her medical care.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

“However, “Brittany Watts signed herself out of the hospital against medical advice on 9/19/2013,” the coroner’s office report states. CNN has asked her attorney about why Watts may have left the hospital without having the nonviable fetus induced, as recommended by the medical staff.

The next day, September 20, Watts returned “for the same issue and left against medical advice again,” the coroner’s office report states.“

She presented herself twice to the hospital and left against medical advice each time. Her family didn’t know she was pregnant because she was hiding the fact she was pregnant. She went against medical advice that could have prevented this situation two times.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

This baby is 22 weeks old. The woman who is the topic of this thread- that’s how old her baby was when he or she died. She was hiding her pregnancy from her family so she couldn’t tell them she was pregnant and in a medical situation from which she could die. The doctors told her she could die and she needed medical treatment urgently.

Watts had been admitted to the Catholic hospital twice that week with vaginal bleeding, but she left without being treated. A nurse told the 911 dispatcher that Watts returned no longer pregnant on that Friday. She said Watts told her, “the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket,” and that she didn't want to have a child.

This woman was hiding her pregnancy and wanted to hide the baby after it died. She was able to get the health care she needed to prevent her from having serious medical problems that could have occurred, but twice she checked herself out if the hospital against the advice of doctors.

What really is confusing is that people are mad at the nurse for doing her job. What kind of people get mad at a nurse for doing her job? A nurse is a medical professional that maintains a nursing license. Nurses across the country battle against staffing shortages, burnout, and an all-time high of demands and strains on the overall healthcare system. Somehow this nurse is responsible for thus woman hiding her pregnancy from her family, leaving the hospital twice against medical advice, giving birth in a toilet and plunging her own baby down the pipes to further hide her pregnancy and now dead baby, going to get her hair done (because of course nobody will notice you are bleeding, in medical distress, the toilet in your home is clogged with the body of your grandchild, and a bucket overflowing with blood and feces is sitting in your yard?)

This woman is 34 years old. She has been described by her attorney as a girl. Girls aren’t 34.

A county forensic investigator reported feeling “what appeared to be a small foot with toes” inside Watts’ toilet. Police seized the toilet and broke it apart to retrieve the intact fetus as evidence.

This woman is either mentally ill or completely detached from the reality that she was a pregnant and was in medical distress. I don’t think she was unaware of her medical distress because she presented at the hospital two times after seeing a doctor.

I really wonder what would dcum think if a 14 year old girl who had been raped miscarried and her rapist took the baby and plunged him or her down the toilet in a bid to hide the evidence of the rape?
Situations like that are the why professionals (like the nurse you all are so mad at) have a duty to report and can lose their license to be a nurse if they do not do so. So nurses now have to put their license and professional reputation and ability to support themselves in jeopardy because women want to hide unwanted pregnancy?
You all are not in reality. This woman had no problem taking care of herself (showering, putting on makeup, going to get her hair done) and was attempting to hide the fact she gave birth, as she hid her pregnancy.

We’re you there with her when the fetus finally was expelled from her vagina? We’re you there when she fished out what SHE thought were the remains but turned out it wasn’t so how easy was it to identify the fetus.

You don’t actually know what the fetus looked like. You don’t actually know of the fetus was 22 weeks. Because pregnancies are dated from a woman’s period not from the moment of conception. And some fetuses grow more slowly than others especially if there was a problem. I had twins that were sized 2 weeks apart yet they were conceived via IVF on the same day.

Bottom line — You Were Not There.

It’s just mind boggling how you go on and on without any actual understanding of how traumatizing it is to be bleeding and in pain for days while losing a pregnancy. I’ve been there and have so much rage for this woman.

You have no idea what it’s like to go through something like this alone. And yes people try to put on a brave face during adversity. So what. Most of us with human dna understand that. You are clearly missing some kind of empathy gene.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

“However, “Brittany Watts signed herself out of the hospital against medical advice on 9/19/2013,” the coroner’s office report states. CNN has asked her attorney about why Watts may have left the hospital without having the nonviable fetus induced, as recommended by the medical staff.

The next day, September 20, Watts returned “for the same issue and left against medical advice again,” the coroner’s office report states.“

She presented herself twice to the hospital and left against medical advice each time. Her family didn’t know she was pregnant because she was hiding the fact she was pregnant. She went against medical advice that could have prevented this situation two times.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

This baby is 22 weeks old. The woman who is the topic of this thread- that’s how old her baby was when he or she died. She was hiding her pregnancy from her family so she couldn’t tell them she was pregnant and in a medical situation from which she could die. The doctors told her she could die and she needed medical treatment urgently.

Watts had been admitted to the Catholic hospital twice that week with vaginal bleeding, but she left without being treated. A nurse told the 911 dispatcher that Watts returned no longer pregnant on that Friday. She said Watts told her, “the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket,” and that she didn't want to have a child.

This woman was hiding her pregnancy and wanted to hide the baby after it died. She was able to get the health care she needed to prevent her from having serious medical problems that could have occurred, but twice she checked herself out if the hospital against the advice of doctors.

What really is confusing is that people are mad at the nurse for doing her job. What kind of people get mad at a nurse for doing her job? A nurse is a medical professional that maintains a nursing license. Nurses across the country battle against staffing shortages, burnout, and an all-time high of demands and strains on the overall healthcare system. Somehow this nurse is responsible for thus woman hiding her pregnancy from her family, leaving the hospital twice against medical advice, giving birth in a toilet and plunging her own baby down the pipes to further hide her pregnancy and now dead baby, going to get her hair done (because of course nobody will notice you are bleeding, in medical distress, the toilet in your home is clogged with the body of your grandchild, and a bucket overflowing with blood and feces is sitting in your yard?)

This woman is 34 years old. She has been described by her attorney as a girl. Girls aren’t 34.

A county forensic investigator reported feeling “what appeared to be a small foot with toes” inside Watts’ toilet. Police seized the toilet and broke it apart to retrieve the intact fetus as evidence.

This woman is either mentally ill or completely detached from the reality that she was a pregnant and was in medical distress. I don’t think she was unaware of her medical distress because she presented at the hospital two times after seeing a doctor.

I really wonder what would dcum think if a 14 year old girl who had been raped miscarried and her rapist took the baby and plunged him or her down the toilet in a bid to hide the evidence of the rape?
Situations like that are the why professionals (like the nurse you all are so mad at) have a duty to report and can lose their license to be a nurse if they do not do so. So nurses now have to put their license and professional reputation and ability to support themselves in jeopardy because women want to hide unwanted pregnancy?
You all are not in reality. This woman had no problem taking care of herself (showering, putting on makeup, going to get her hair done) and was attempting to hide the fact she gave birth, as she hid her pregnancy.

We’re you there with her when the fetus finally was expelled from her vagina? We’re you there when she fished out what SHE thought were the remains but turned out it wasn’t so how easy was it to identify the fetus.

You don’t actually know what the fetus looked like. You don’t actually know of the fetus was 22 weeks. Because pregnancies are dated from a woman’s period not from the moment of conception. And some fetuses grow more slowly than others especially if there was a problem. I had twins that were sized 2 weeks apart yet they were conceived via IVF on the same day.

Bottom line — You Were Not There.

It’s just mind boggling how you go on and on without any actual understanding of how traumatizing it is to be bleeding and in pain for days while losing a pregnancy. I’ve been there and have so much rage for this woman.

You have no idea what it’s like to go through something like this alone. And yes people try to put on a brave face during adversity. So what. Most of us with human dna understand that. You are clearly missing some kind of empathy gene.

DP. This is true. It’s also true that the above is the other side of the story. Everyone on here immediately jumped to a certain conclusion. My reaction was, “wow this is strange and there must be more to this story.” Sure enough, there is.

[Anonymous]

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Don’t even try with actual facts. Most on this thread have created a narrative, and they’re sticking to it.

The FACTS that in any sane state at a non-Catholic hospital she would have been given a D&C immediately.

Have you ever had to sit around for 8 hours in a hospital bleeding and in pain, waiting to hear if the doctors are allowed to give you the treatment you needed? If not then STFU. You don’t know what that’s like.

Go ahead. Dig your heels in. You are the only one that has all the facts.

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Another way to figure out there’s more to this story is that thousands of women in Ohio have stillbirths every year. They are not prosecuted. Why this woman? Is there something unique about this case? Oh yes - she told people her dead baby was in a bucket in her backyard.

[Anonymous]

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Stop lying.

According to published news reports, she WAS denied a d&c when she first went to the hospital. They knew the fetus was not viable and she had signs of an infection. Instead of immediately scheduling the d&c, they left her there while the hospital ethics committee debated whether she was sick enough to get it, since the fetus still had a heartbeat.