Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

“However, “Brittany Watts signed herself out of the hospital against medical advice on 9/19/2013,” the coroner’s office report states. CNN has asked her attorney about why Watts may have left the hospital without having the nonviable fetus induced, as recommended by the medical staff.

The next day, September 20, Watts returned “for the same issue and left against medical advice again,” the coroner’s office report states.“

She presented herself twice to the hospital and left against medical advice each time. Her family didn’t know she was pregnant because she was hiding the fact she was pregnant. She went against medical advice that could have prevented this situation two times.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

This baby is 22 weeks old. The woman who is the topic of this thread- that’s how old her baby was when he or she died. She was hiding her pregnancy from her family so she couldn’t tell them she was pregnant and in a medical situation from which she could die. The doctors told her she could die and she needed medical treatment urgently.

Watts had been admitted to the Catholic hospital twice that week with vaginal bleeding, but she left without being treated. A nurse told the 911 dispatcher that Watts returned no longer pregnant on that Friday. She said Watts told her, “the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket,” and that she didn't want to have a child.

This woman was hiding her pregnancy and wanted to hide the baby after it died. She was able to get the health care she needed to prevent her from having serious medical problems that could have occurred, but twice she checked herself out if the hospital against the advice of doctors.

What really is confusing is that people are mad at the nurse for doing her job. What kind of people get mad at a nurse for doing her job? A nurse is a medical professional that maintains a nursing license. Nurses across the country battle against staffing shortages, burnout, and an all-time high of demands and strains on the overall healthcare system. Somehow this nurse is responsible for thus woman hiding her pregnancy from her family, leaving the hospital twice against medical advice, giving birth in a toilet and plunging her own baby down the pipes to further hide her pregnancy and now dead baby, going to get her hair done (because of course nobody will notice you are bleeding, in medical distress, the toilet in your home is clogged with the body of your grandchild, and a bucket overflowing with blood and feces is sitting in your yard?)

This woman is 34 years old. She has been described by her attorney as a girl. Girls aren’t 34.

A county forensic investigator reported feeling “what appeared to be a small foot with toes” inside Watts’ toilet. Police seized the toilet and broke it apart to retrieve the intact fetus as evidence.

This woman is either mentally ill or completely detached from the reality that she was a pregnant and was in medical distress. I don’t think she was unaware of her medical distress because she presented at the hospital two times after seeing a doctor.

I really wonder what would dcum think if a 14 year old girl who had been raped miscarried and her rapist took the baby and plunged him or her down the toilet in a bid to hide the evidence of the rape?
Situations like that are the why professionals (like the nurse you all are so mad at) have a duty to report and can lose their license to be a nurse if they do not do so. So nurses now have to put their license and professional reputation and ability to support themselves in jeopardy because women want to hide unwanted pregnancy?
You all are not in reality. This woman had no problem taking care of herself (showering, putting on makeup, going to get her hair done) and was attempting to hide the fact she gave birth, as she hid her pregnancy.

We’re you there with her when the fetus finally was expelled from her vagina? We’re you there when she fished out what SHE thought were the remains but turned out it wasn’t so how easy was it to identify the fetus.

You don’t actually know what the fetus looked like. You don’t actually know of the fetus was 22 weeks. Because pregnancies are dated from a woman’s period not from the moment of conception. And some fetuses grow more slowly than others especially if there was a problem. I had twins that were sized 2 weeks apart yet they were conceived via IVF on the same day.

Bottom line — You Were Not There.

It’s just mind boggling how you go on and on without any actual understanding of how traumatizing it is to be bleeding and in pain for days while losing a pregnancy. I’ve been there and have so much rage for this woman.

You have no idea what it’s like to go through something like this alone. And yes people try to put on a brave face during adversity. So what. Most of us with human dna understand that. You are clearly missing some kind of empathy gene.

DP. This is true. It’s also true that the above is the other side of the story. Everyone on here immediately jumped to a certain conclusion. My reaction was, “wow this is strange and there must be more to this story.” Sure enough, there is.

She was alone. She was in pain and bleeding and twice the hospital did not give her a D&C to have it be done with. She is not a health care provider experienced in miscarriage knowing what to do and wasn’t in a hospital with people attending to her to do what needed to be done. She took out a lump of bloody mess from the toilet that she thought was the fetus and put it outside in a bucket, which is more forethought than a lot of us would have. Did the hospital give her advice and a pamphlet on “what do do with fetal remains after they pass into the toilet”? Does such a pamphlet exist?

You people who cannot imagine how difficult and traumatizing this was really need to go get some empathy training because you are lacking. And then go get some training in trauma so you stop saying ignorant things like “she went about her day.” Yeah so did I after I had a miscarriage. Because I had no idea what else to do. It’s a common response to difficult and traumatizing situations as anyone who has experience will tell your ignorant selfs.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

The news article states she showered and put on makeup and went to get her hair done after plunging the toilet, which had feces and her dead child inside it. The baby apparently went into the pipes and she scooped as much of the feces and water as she could out into a bucket and put it outside. She had hidden the fact she was pregnant from her family, and made a conscious choice to hide the fact she had miscarried and the baby was dead. She was trying to hide everything from her family.

“After miscarrying into her toilet at home, Watts tried to scoop out the remains and left them near her garage outdoors. She cleaned her bathroom, showered, and went to a hair appointment to “maintain appearances” with her mother, who did not know about the pregnancy, the Post reported. But she didn’t look well, and the hairdresser called her mother and told her to take Watts to Mercy Health–St. Joseph Warren Hospital, a Catholic facility.


Police reports, recordings, medical records, and interviews obtained by the Post paint a revealing picture. “Advised by risk management to contact Warren City Police to investigate the possibility of the infant being in a bucket at the patient’s residence,” reads a hospital note signed by the nurse, who later called police. In a call recording, the same nurse says, “I had a mother who had a delivery at home and came in without the baby and she says the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket. I need to have someone go find this baby or direct me on what I need to do.” To the nurse, the nonviable fetus was an infant or a baby. The prosecuting attorney seems to agree. “The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,” Lewis Guarnieri said in court.“

So are you all saying a 22 week old unborn baby is not a baby? The nurse was trying to provide medical care to her patient and protect her license. The nurse was doing what she should have done. No medical professional hears that a dead baby is somewhere and says “oh oopsie lol” and doesn’t tell anyone. You people are delusional, blaming the nurse for anything.

“However, “Brittany Watts signed herself out of the hospital against medical advice on 9/19/2013,” the coroner’s office report states. CNN has asked her attorney about why Watts may have left the hospital without having the nonviable fetus induced, as recommended by the medical staff.

The next day, September 20, Watts returned “for the same issue and left against medical advice again,” the coroner’s office report states.“

She presented herself twice to the hospital and left against medical advice each time. Her family didn’t know she was pregnant because she was hiding the fact she was pregnant. She went against medical advice that could have prevented this situation two times.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

This baby is 22 weeks old. The woman who is the topic of this thread- that’s how old her baby was when he or she died. She was hiding her pregnancy from her family so she couldn’t tell them she was pregnant and in a medical situation from which she could die. The doctors told her she could die and she needed medical treatment urgently.

Watts had been admitted to the Catholic hospital twice that week with vaginal bleeding, but she left without being treated. A nurse told the 911 dispatcher that Watts returned no longer pregnant on that Friday. She said Watts told her, “the baby’s in her backyard in a bucket,” and that she didn't want to have a child.

This woman was hiding her pregnancy and wanted to hide the baby after it died. She was able to get the health care she needed to prevent her from having serious medical problems that could have occurred, but twice she checked herself out if the hospital against the advice of doctors.

What really is confusing is that people are mad at the nurse for doing her job. What kind of people get mad at a nurse for doing her job? A nurse is a medical professional that maintains a nursing license. Nurses across the country battle against staffing shortages, burnout, and an all-time high of demands and strains on the overall healthcare system. Somehow this nurse is responsible for thus woman hiding her pregnancy from her family, leaving the hospital twice against medical advice, giving birth in a toilet and plunging her own baby down the pipes to further hide her pregnancy and now dead baby, going to get her hair done (because of course nobody will notice you are bleeding, in medical distress, the toilet in your home is clogged with the body of your grandchild, and a bucket overflowing with blood and feces is sitting in your yard?)

This woman is 34 years old. She has been described by her attorney as a girl. Girls aren’t 34.

A county forensic investigator reported feeling “what appeared to be a small foot with toes” inside Watts’ toilet. Police seized the toilet and broke it apart to retrieve the intact fetus as evidence.

This woman is either mentally ill or completely detached from the reality that she was a pregnant and was in medical distress. I don’t think she was unaware of her medical distress because she presented at the hospital two times after seeing a doctor.

I really wonder what would dcum think if a 14 year old girl who had been raped miscarried and her rapist took the baby and plunged him or her down the toilet in a bid to hide the evidence of the rape?
Situations like that are the why professionals (like the nurse you all are so mad at) have a duty to report and can lose their license to be a nurse if they do not do so. So nurses now have to put their license and professional reputation and ability to support themselves in jeopardy because women want to hide unwanted pregnancy?
You all are not in reality. This woman had no problem taking care of herself (showering, putting on makeup, going to get her hair done) and was attempting to hide the fact she gave birth, as she hid her pregnancy.

We’re you there with her when the fetus finally was expelled from her vagina? We’re you there when she fished out what SHE thought were the remains but turned out it wasn’t so how easy was it to identify the fetus.

You don’t actually know what the fetus looked like. You don’t actually know of the fetus was 22 weeks. Because pregnancies are dated from a woman’s period not from the moment of conception. And some fetuses grow more slowly than others especially if there was a problem. I had twins that were sized 2 weeks apart yet they were conceived via IVF on the same day.

Bottom line — You Were Not There.

It’s just mind boggling how you go on and on without any actual understanding of how traumatizing it is to be bleeding and in pain for days while losing a pregnancy. I’ve been there and have so much rage for this woman.

You have no idea what it’s like to go through something like this alone. And yes people try to put on a brave face during adversity. So what. Most of us with human dna understand that. You are clearly missing some kind of empathy gene.

DP. This is true. It’s also true that the above is the other side of the story. Everyone on here immediately jumped to a certain conclusion. My reaction was, “wow this is strange and there must be more to this story.” Sure enough, there is.

The story actually turned out exactly how we all thought it did: she miscarried at home because the hospital denied her timely medical care.

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so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

She wasn’t denied a d and c, she left the hospital twice against medical advice. She denied herself medical care.

Don’t even try with actual facts. Most on this thread have created a narrative, and they’re sticking to it.

The FACTS that in any sane state at a non-Catholic hospital she would have been given a D&C immediately.

Have you ever had to sit around for 8 hours in a hospital bleeding and in pain, waiting to hear if the doctors are allowed to give you the treatment you needed? If not then STFU. You don’t know what that’s like.

Go ahead. Dig your heels in. You are the only one that has all the facts.

The facts are that thousands of women flush miscarriages down the toilet every year. As they are speaking up and telling us about it.
It’s a fact of life.

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Anonymous wrote:Another way to figure out there’s more to this story is that thousands of women in Ohio have stillbirths every year. They are not prosecuted. Why this woman? Is there something unique about this case? Oh yes - she told people her dead baby was in a bucket in her backyard.

Yes there’s something unique about this case. It is exactly the fact-pattern where abortion restrictions cause the MOST harm. When exactly on the cusp of viability, pregnancy complications doom the pregnancy and threaten the life of the mother. Because the fetal heart is still beating, the hospital refuses to perform a therepeutic abortion and makes the mother wait while she gets sicker and more distressed. The women in the situation recount suffering until the situation becomes an immediate medical emergency and they finally get care.

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I love how the forced-birthers are now clinging to the narrative that her wrongdoing was actually leaving the hospital …

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

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This thread is a great example of why people hate the judgmental religious types.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

It’s not safer than a D&C, that’s why the hospital should have given her a d&c instead of hemming and hawing. Why didn’t they do the safest thing, immediately give her a D&C? Oh I know, because of Ohio’s stupid draconian abortion law. Consequences right there.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

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lesson learned don't flush bodies down the toilet

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Oops I already did. Two miscarriages down the drain. Should I turn myself in?

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Anonymous wrote:lesson learned don't flush bodies down the toilet

You are an idiot.

Miscarriages are flushed down the toilet every damn day across the world.

The hospital denied her the proper care.

That is the crime here.

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Anonymous wrote:lesson learned don't flush bodies down the toilet

Lesson learned: don’t vote for Republicans pushing their religion on everyone else

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

I’m saying giving birth into a toilet isn’t safer than being in a hospital. She left AMA and birthed on her own. I’m asking how that’s safer. If the hospital was going to induce labor one would think that was far safer than doing it on your own.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her. The last thing I’d want after giving birth (and a stillbirth at that) is to engage with any human, especially police officers. She must have been exhausted and emotionally distraught.

She went to an appointment with her hairdresser.

You've obviously never worked with victims of trauma before--or even done a basic google search on common trauma responses.

But besides all of that, I don't care if she left her home, hopped on a train and joined the Rockettes kickline at Radio City. It is insane to put a woman in jail for this alleged 'crime'.

“At one point, a physician advised Ms Watts that she should have her labour induced, a procedure that amounted to an abortion and would cause her to deliver the fetus but also put her at “significant risk” of death, according to those records obtained by the Associated Press.“

So the doctors at the hospital wanted to induce her and give her the abortion she needed, but she left the hospital.

Good lord you typed this out in the middle of your screed and don’t even seem to realize what you are saying.

Being induced for l&d which could put you at significant risk for death is NOT the same thing as getting a D&C which is fast and safer.

Are you this clueless about everything? Please share with us your near death experience giving birth or miscarrying

How is giving birth in a toilet, by yourself, safer?

A D&C is not giving birth in a toilet by yourself. Are you always this clueless?

You clearly didn’t understand the question. Talk about clueless.