Class 2025 TJHSST Results

[Anonymous]

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Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Would be funny if it turns out that Asian enrollment dropped from 70% to only 68%. Imagine the mental bandwidth all these clowns on both sides wasted!

This will only happen if the demographics of the applicant pool don't change significantly - which is possible given the deep damage to TJ's reputation in Northern Virginia. TJ and FCPS have a lot of work to do to make TJ an appealing destination for non-Asians in the years to come.

Non-Asian Applicants
Class of 2009: 2,000 (literally exactly! how wild)
Class of 2014: 1,876
Class of 2019: 1,393
Class of 2024: 1,116

That should tell you everything you need to know about how TJ is perceived in Northern Virginia. By the way, during this time period, population in the catchment areas has EXPLODED.

You are delusional. There is no damage to TJ reputation- its just few manufacturing “problems” for easy target $ non-favored Asians being the dominant majority at TJ.

The numbers don't lie. If TJ still had the same reputation, its application numbers would grow at pace with the influx of population. The Class of 2024, even with the huge surge in Asian applications, had the smallest total number of applicants in over 20 years.

Whites and others are lazy when it comes to studying. They don't want to put in 3-4 times the effort and possibly get thrown out or leave or worse graduate in the bottom 20% and ruin their chances at colleges/universities after surviving TJ academics etc. They all want the "minimum investment (risk/effort) and maximum return. They certainly do not want the "maximum investment 9effort) and minimal return". It's the capitalistic society baby!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Super qualified kids have been rejected every single year of TJ's history.

Mediocre kids have been admitted in every single year of TJ's history.

The number of mediocre kids that get admitted has risen sharply as the test prep industry flourishes - because the entire point of test prep is to take students who otherwise would not have qualified and pose them as qualified. You would know this if you'd been connected with the school for a significant length of time - long enough to see how the school changes through generations.

You’re wrong. I put two kids through over 9 years. Last kid was 2020. The kids were not mediocre. And the ones who slipped in somehow didn’t make it a full year. Test prep doesn’t help with teachers recs, which traditionally have be used to identify substandard kids.

And there have been superstar kids who got missed. And there was national media attention.

I think gymnasts are nuts to practice 8 hours a day and home school for a sport with such a high injury rate, ED, anxiety, depression. But I’m not trying to shut down gyms or force them to make substandard kids as elites or lobbying to kill their dreams— they’ll just get injured and be forced to drop back. Same with TJ. Once you are there, you have to prove yourself everyday. If you can’t, you leave.

It was great for my kids. Many parents feel the same way. If you don’t like it, don’t send your kids. Why do you care if mine attend?

1) The length of your affiliation with TJ tracks with the length of the test prep boom. You would have needed to be around much longer to truly understand the school's transformation.

2) You were a TJ parent, which means that at best you had a deep knowledge of about 10% of the students who were in the same class as your kids. Indeed, they likely self-selected to be around kids who shared their (and theoretically your) values. This is a part of why TJ parents are among the least informed individuals about the realities of TJ.

3) SPORTS ARE NOT COMPARABLE TO TJ. They're just not.

So, you attended and graduated from TJ in recent years I assume so that you know better than most TJ parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Super qualified kids have been rejected every single year of TJ's history.

Mediocre kids have been admitted in every single year of TJ's history.

The number of mediocre kids that get admitted has risen sharply as the test prep industry flourishes - because the entire point of test prep is to take students who otherwise would not have qualified and pose them as qualified. You would know this if you'd been connected with the school for a significant length of time - long enough to see how the school changes through generations.

You’re wrong. I put two kids through over 9 years. Last kid was 2020. The kids were not mediocre. And the ones who slipped in somehow didn’t make it a full year. Test prep doesn’t help with teachers recs, which traditionally have be used to identify substandard kids.

And there have been superstar kids who got missed. And there was national media attention.

I think gymnasts are nuts to practice 8 hours a day and home school for a sport with such a high injury rate, ED, anxiety, depression. But I’m not trying to shut down gyms or force them to make substandard kids as elites or lobbying to kill their dreams— they’ll just get injured and be forced to drop back. Same with TJ. Once you are there, you have to prove yourself everyday. If you can’t, you leave.

It was great for my kids. Many parents feel the same way. If you don’t like it, don’t send your kids. Why do you care if mine attend?

1) The length of your affiliation with TJ tracks with the length of the test prep boom. You would have needed to be around much longer to truly understand the school's transformation.

2) You were a TJ parent, which means that at best you had a deep knowledge of about 10% of the students who were in the same class as your kids. Indeed, they likely self-selected to be around kids who shared their (and theoretically your) values. This is a part of why TJ parents are among the least informed individuals about the realities of TJ.

3) SPORTS ARE NOT COMPARABLE TO TJ. They're just not.

Because you said so, right?

Self discipline, hours of practice every day to master skills, working towards a goal, competing against other kids.
Sounds the same to me.

They're not comparable because the purpose of athletic teams is to win competitions. That's not the purpose of TJ. So you can't compare the processes for selecting one to the processes for selecting another.

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

But people will continue to get pissy about it because they see both TJ and athletic teams as access points to elite universities, and so they compare the two when they shouldn't. It's a indictment of your logical reasoning when you do it.

No, it's trying your best to excel in the area you are good at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Would be funny if it turns out that Asian enrollment dropped from 70% to only 68%. Imagine the mental bandwidth all these clowns on both sides wasted!

This will only happen if the demographics of the applicant pool don't change significantly - which is possible given the deep damage to TJ's reputation in Northern Virginia. TJ and FCPS have a lot of work to do to make TJ an appealing destination for non-Asians in the years to come.

Non-Asian Applicants
Class of 2009: 2,000 (literally exactly! how wild)
Class of 2014: 1,876
Class of 2019: 1,393
Class of 2024: 1,116

That should tell you everything you need to know about how TJ is perceived in Northern Virginia. By the way, during this time period, population in the catchment areas has EXPLODED.

You are delusional. There is no damage to TJ reputation- its just few manufacturing “problems” for easy target $ non-favored Asians being the dominant majority at TJ.

The numbers don't lie. If TJ still had the same reputation, its application numbers would grow at pace with the influx of population. The Class of 2024, even with the huge surge in Asian applications, had the smallest total number of applicants in over 20 years.

Whites and others are lazy when it comes to studying. They don't want to put in 3-4 times the effort and possibly get thrown out or leave or worse graduate in the bottom 20% and ruin their chances at colleges/universities after surviving TJ academics etc. They all want the "minimum investment (risk/effort) and maximum return. They certainly do not want the "maximum investment 9effort) and minimal return". It's the capitalistic society baby!

Achievement unlocked: racism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Super qualified kids have been rejected every single year of TJ's history.

Mediocre kids have been admitted in every single year of TJ's history.

The number of mediocre kids that get admitted has risen sharply as the test prep industry flourishes - because the entire point of test prep is to take students who otherwise would not have qualified and pose them as qualified. You would know this if you'd been connected with the school for a significant length of time - long enough to see how the school changes through generations.

You’re wrong. I put two kids through over 9 years. Last kid was 2020. The kids were not mediocre. And the ones who slipped in somehow didn’t make it a full year. Test prep doesn’t help with teachers recs, which traditionally have be used to identify substandard kids.

And there have been superstar kids who got missed. And there was national media attention.

I think gymnasts are nuts to practice 8 hours a day and home school for a sport with such a high injury rate, ED, anxiety, depression. But I’m not trying to shut down gyms or force them to make substandard kids as elites or lobbying to kill their dreams— they’ll just get injured and be forced to drop back. Same with TJ. Once you are there, you have to prove yourself everyday. If you can’t, you leave.

It was great for my kids. Many parents feel the same way. If you don’t like it, don’t send your kids. Why do you care if mine attend?

1) The length of your affiliation with TJ tracks with the length of the test prep boom. You would have needed to be around much longer to truly understand the school's transformation.

2) You were a TJ parent, which means that at best you had a deep knowledge of about 10% of the students who were in the same class as your kids. Indeed, they likely self-selected to be around kids who shared their (and theoretically your) values. This is a part of why TJ parents are among the least informed individuals about the realities of TJ.

3) SPORTS ARE NOT COMPARABLE TO TJ. They're just not.

So, you attended and graduated from TJ in recent years I assume so that you know better than most TJ parents?

Nope. Graduated over 15 years ago, and that's all I'll say about it.

[Anonymous]

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+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

[Anonymous]

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Whites and others are lazy when it comes to studying. They don't want to put in 3-4 times the effort and possibly get thrown out or leave or worse graduate in the bottom 20% and ruin their chances at colleges/universities after surviving TJ academics etc. They all want the "minimum investment (risk/effort) and maximum return. They certainly do not want the "maximum investment 9effort) and minimal return". It's the capitalistic society baby!

Achievement unlocked: racism

Hm. I'm white, and I think the PP has a point in everything except the bolded. There are many of us who can't afford Ivies or expensive private colleges. Our kids are much better off graduating in the top 10% of their base school with a full load of AP classes, and then either getting into a good state school or getting a nice scholarship. There's nothing wrong with being idealistic and shooting for schools that are "the best," as many Asian families do, but there's also nothing wrong with being a bit more pragmatic about what makes the most financial sense for your family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

TJ is objectively NOT providing the best possible education for those students when there are plenty of STEM oriented, capable students from various backgrounds who are excluded from the school by an admissions process that results in de facto segregation. No, it is not de jure segregation, but the impact is the same as if it were.

There is no end of peer-reviewed, well-respected research that cements the idea that legitimate diversity across a broad range of metrics results in a stronger learning environment. TJ has NEVER provided such an environment for its students, and as such, they graduate without much of the cultural literacy that is gained by students at equally rigorous but more diverse schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Few more hours... results will be out
No more discussions on TJ admissions...
Hope everything will be alright..

Nope, especially this year, there will be a lot of outrage as super qualified kids are rejected and mediocre students get in. And everyone will be waiting for the break down by school, gender and race.

Would be funny if it turns out that Asian enrollment dropped from 70% to only 68%. Imagine the mental bandwidth all these clowns on both sides wasted!

This will only happen if the demographics of the applicant pool don't change significantly - which is possible given the deep damage to TJ's reputation in Northern Virginia. TJ and FCPS have a lot of work to do to make TJ an appealing destination for non-Asians in the years to come.

Non-Asian Applicants
Class of 2009: 2,000 (literally exactly! how wild)
Class of 2014: 1,876
Class of 2019: 1,393
Class of 2024: 1,116

That should tell you everything you need to know about how TJ is perceived in Northern Virginia. By the way, during this time period, population in the catchment areas has EXPLODED.

You are delusional. There is no damage to TJ reputation- its just few manufacturing “problems” for easy target $ non-favored Asians being the dominant majority at TJ.

The numbers don't lie. If TJ still had the same reputation, its application numbers would grow at pace with the influx of population. The Class of 2024, even with the huge surge in Asian applications, had the smallest total number of applicants in over 20 years.

Whites and others are lazy when it comes to studying. They don't want to put in 3-4 times the effort and possibly get thrown out or leave or worse graduate in the bottom 20% and ruin their chances at colleges/universities after surviving TJ academics etc. They all want the "minimum investment (risk/effort) and maximum return. They certainly do not want the "maximum investment 9effort) and minimal return". It's the capitalistic society baby!

Achievement unlocked: racism

Apparently racism is alive in well in NovA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

TJ is objectively NOT providing the best possible education for those students when there are plenty of STEM oriented, capable students from various backgrounds who are excluded from the school by an admissions process that results in de facto segregation. No, it is not de jure segregation, but the impact is the same as if it were.

There is no end of peer-reviewed, well-respected research that cements the idea that legitimate diversity across a broad range of metrics results in a stronger learning environment. TJ has NEVER provided such an environment for its students, and as such, they graduate without much of the cultural literacy that is gained by students at equally rigorous but more diverse schools.

Exactly right! The old system was corrupt and gamed. The newer one may not be perfect but it is a huge improvemetn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

TJ is objectively NOT providing the best possible education for those students when there are plenty of STEM oriented, capable students from various backgrounds who are excluded from the school by an admissions process that results in de facto segregation. No, it is not de jure segregation, but the impact is the same as if it were.

There is no end of peer-reviewed, well-respected research that cements the idea that legitimate diversity across a broad range of metrics results in a stronger learning environment. TJ has NEVER provided such an environment for its students, and as such, they graduate without much of the cultural literacy that is gained by students at equally rigorous but more diverse schools.

Exactly right! The old system was corrupt and gamed. The newer one may not be perfect but it is a huge improvemetn.

Huge improvement in racism against Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

TJ is objectively NOT providing the best possible education for those students when there are plenty of STEM oriented, capable students from various backgrounds who are excluded from the school by an admissions process that results in de facto segregation. No, it is not de jure segregation, but the impact is the same as if it were.

There is no end of peer-reviewed, well-respected research that cements the idea that legitimate diversity across a broad range of metrics results in a stronger learning environment. TJ has NEVER provided such an environment for its students, and as such, they graduate without much of the cultural literacy that is gained by students at equally rigorous but more diverse schools.

Exactly right! The old system was corrupt and gamed. The newer one may not be perfect but it is a huge improvemetn.

+1000. We must never allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good when we are seeking a stronger academic environment through more positive representation. The simple act of eliminating the students who were admitted through the prep process and parental ambition rather than their own aptitude and achievements is a huge step in the right direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+1000 - if TJ's mission was to win Science Olympiad and place kids as Intel or Siemens finalists or to get kids into Ivy League schools, you might have something of a point with the sports comparison.

But it isn't. So you don't.

DP. Are you sure about that? TJ is ranked as the #1 school in the country and carries a ton of prestige largely due to winning many academic competitions. A lot of people in Fairfax would view that as TJ's most important feature, and they would hate to see anything change at TJ in a way that would cause it to drop in the rankings and win fewer competitions.

^ I don't necessarily agree that TJ's mission is to be the #1 school. The fact that it is the #1 school undeniably draws a lot of people to Fairfax county.

The mission is to provide the best possible education for STEM oriented, capable students who will thrive at such environment and that is what TJ is doing.
Yes, I'm sure about that. The fact that the school DOES win many competitions and is ranked highly is not evidence that doing so is its mission.

TJ is objectively NOT providing the best possible education for those students when there are plenty of STEM oriented, capable students from various backgrounds who are excluded from the school by an admissions process that results in de facto segregation. No, it is not de jure segregation, but the impact is the same as if it were.

There is no end of peer-reviewed, well-respected research that cements the idea that legitimate diversity across a broad range of metrics results in a stronger learning environment. TJ has NEVER provided such an environment for its students, and as such, they graduate without much of the cultural literacy that is gained by students at equally rigorous but more diverse schools.

Exactly right! The old system was corrupt and gamed. The newer one may not be perfect but it is a huge improvemetn.

+1000. We must never allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good when we are seeking a stronger academic environment through more positive representation. The simple act of eliminating the students who were admitted through the prep process and parental ambition rather than their own aptitude and achievements is a huge step in the right direction.

Yes, we should root out parents buying sat scores and bribing admissions officials like the dozens of parents who were involved in varsity blues.