Why not vaccinate all the teachers and be done with this ongoing drama?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

you mean “teachers figured out how to exploit economic conditions for their own benefit.” guess what - those conditions will change, in the shape of being forced to return or terminated. every teacher will have the opportunity to be vaccinated by the fall if not sooner. unions will be busted if they remain intransigent. when push comes to shove a few teachers will quit but not many.

No Karen, I meant what I said. Thank you.

And I said all will have the opportunity for in person in the Fall, or do you just want to spend more time trying to insult teachers? It's clear they don't care what non low SES parents have to say.

The vaccine is not the end of social distancing and mask wearing, normal is far away for the United States. I'm sorry that's not what you want to hear.

You said maybe there would be hybrid. How does that translate to all will have the opportunity?

Hybrid all kids will have a minimum of 2 days a week or everyday half day.

“Maybe there will be hybrid”. ???

Did you mean what you said or ... not?

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Problem is, and I’m a parent, we have never invested in our schools and now the chickens have come home to roost

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Anonymous wrote:Problem is, and I’m a parent, we have never invested in our schools and now the chickens have come home to roost

+1000000

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

OMG. NO THE VACCINE'S EFFICACY IS NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN GOOD HEALTH. THAT IS NOT HOW VACCINE EFFICACY IS MEASURED. GAHHHH. We are literally not back in school because so many people are scientifically illiterate.

[Anonymous]

Someone posting a dramatic post on DCUM schools forum about school reopening with he title, "Why not vaccinate all the teachers and be done with this ongoing drama?"

Irony is dead.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

+2. I'm the poster who initially corrected the PP's statement that "countries who are back have smaller class sizes", saying that it's not true for Germany. I am not "gaslighting" anybody - my kids are in elementary in Germany right now. We were full time with 27 kids in a class in the fall, and are hybrid with half the class size right now. As far as I know, France and Britain also do not not have smaller classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

OMG. NO THE VACCINE'S EFFICACY IS NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN GOOD HEALTH. THAT IS NOT HOW VACCINE EFFICACY IS MEASURED. GAHHHH. We are literally not back in school because so many people are scientifically illiterate.

No kidding. And if this is the next line of argument - that schools can't open even despite a phenomenally effective vaccine - God help this country.

The size of the country also has no bearing on this issue, especially here where school decisions are hyper local. It's just another excuse and deflection. And the fact that the US has more poverty and homelessness should make it more urgent to have kids in school, not less.

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Here we go with the false drama:

No teachers I know of, or the WTU has stated that kids should be vaccinated before IPL.

Very few teachers have said they don’t want to be vaccinated.

No virtual teachers have been offered a vaccine. Period.

I’m only asking that teachers and school staff be vaccinated. Then we go right back. The WTU will not have a leg to stand on.

There are actually teacher unions out there taking the all kids must be vaxxed position; thankfully not in DC yet.

Lots of teachers won't get vaxxed. It's just the demographic reality. Only 60% of nurses in DC chose to get vaxxed; the demographics to DCPS teachers are actually extremely similar. There's just a lot of distrust that's built up over time and all the conspiracy theory nonsense isn't helping.

All teachers will be eligible for the vaccine in 1b (at the same time as daycares, private school teachers, etc). The only group we are waiting on is 65+ and, honestly, I don't think people have carefully looked at the mortality stats if they really don't think old people should be getting vaxxed before teachers who are not being required to return in person. Also, it's worth noting that the WTU could have lobbied for an MOA that said every teacher back (absent FMLA/leave that always applies as a matter of right) following vaccination and they DIDN'T. Why? Because that is not a promise they've made or will make. Liz Davis has already said on the record that vaccines are not enough.

At a certain point our society will call the bluff of teachers who refuse to return. And they will be fired. Union or no union.
If they don't want a vaccine, fine. Don't get one, but you can't be a teacher or you have to take responsibility for the risk you created for yourself.
I'm going to guess that "call the bluff" moment will come by August 15 this year.

And, to be clear, I think that the profession of teacher should be more highly paid and treated more professionally by our society. People aren't going to risk their lives for a profession in which they are consistently underpaid given the level of work and education needed.

It's really sad but I'm starting to feel the opposite about the profession being more highly paid and treated more professionally after this mess. I personally know some great teachers, but at this point it's clear that the union leadership represents the majority that want to get paid the same regardless of the level of education the kids receive. Hopefully when the system finally breaks it brings their retirement system in line with modern times and replaces the pension with a 401k like everyone else.

Same. The lack of willingness to go in shows a real absence of dedication and true interest in the well-being and education of their students. I used to believe that they should be more highly paid and more respected as a result of what I believed to be their dedication to the welfare of children. It turns out that it's just a job for many teachers, and so 60 to 100k seems like a fine range for me in a city with an average salary of 76k.

+2. Any other professional achieving such poor outcomes and refusing to perform their entire job would be fired.

Hasn’t teaching always been just a job? This is what I do to support my families and my own kids. Teaching is not some calling to be a savior of children. It’s a job, the same way rhe military is a job or working a fast food restaurant is a job. I’m happy parents are seeing this. The same way I am happy teachers are seeing we are a mostly blue collar profession. That is the way it is.

PP you're responding to here. I never said anything about requirements for a calling, and IDGAF about how you "feel." Your job is an in person job, and no teacher is performing well or even doing ALL of her job via distance learning. This is about performance, so quit pretending I demanded that you "feel" any sort of way. In the real world/ non-government union job, people are fired for performing as poorly as remote teachers are.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

OMG. NO THE VACCINE'S EFFICACY IS NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN GOOD HEALTH. THAT IS NOT HOW VACCINE EFFICACY IS MEASURED. GAHHHH. We are literally not back in school because so many people are scientifically illiterate.

No kidding. And if this is the next line of argument - that schools can't open even despite a phenomenally effective vaccine - God help this country.

The size of the country also has no bearing on this issue, especially here where school decisions are hyper local. It's just another excuse and deflection. And the fact that the US has more poverty and homelessness should make it more urgent to have kids in school, not less.

I agree with everything you're saying, except WTU has already used tis argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers PLEASE get vaccinated in your state of residence and let the school know. There are 80 year olds trying to get their vaccine in DC--please don't crowd them out, if you have the opportunity to get vaccinated in your own state. Thank you.

Unless they’re teaching in THOSE states they don’t get a preference for the vaccine; in Maryland, where PG county has pushed back opening until March btw, they will preferentially vaccinate teachers in PG schools but if you just live there and teach in DC, why does MD put you higher up in their tier? So you’re asking teachers not to get vaccinated so then everyone in this board can scream at them for being lazy and not wanting to come in. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

+2. I'm the poster who initially corrected the PP's statement that "countries who are back have smaller class sizes", saying that it's not true for Germany. I am not "gaslighting" anybody - my kids are in elementary in Germany right now. We were full time with 27 kids in a class in the fall, and are hybrid with half the class size right now. As far as I know, France and Britain also do not not have smaller classes.

From my friends in southern Germany, their kids are at home until at least mid-February after having been in school over the fall. What you’re also not saying is that Germany instituted a curfew, and there are heavy fines for not wearing masks etc. (it’s not like the US where every state and county did whatever they wanted to and although we have a fine in DC for not wearing a mask, I can’t think of any case where that’s been imposed. If so they would have collected millions from the Proud Boys gatherings in December and January.)

It’s almost like the Germans had a comprehensive national policy all along. Also German teachers are unionized, FYI. 🙄