Why not vaccinate all the teachers and be done with this ongoing drama?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

+2. I'm the poster who initially corrected the PP's statement that "countries who are back have smaller class sizes", saying that it's not true for Germany. I am not "gaslighting" anybody - my kids are in elementary in Germany right now. We were full time with 27 kids in a class in the fall, and are hybrid with half the class size right now. As far as I know, France and Britain also do not not have smaller classes.

From my friends in southern Germany, their kids are at home until at least mid-February after having been in school over the fall. What you’re also not saying is that Germany instituted a curfew, and there are heavy fines for not wearing masks etc. (it’s not like the US where every state and county did whatever they wanted to and although we have a fine in DC for not wearing a mask, I can’t think of any case where that’s been imposed. If so they would have collected millions from the Proud Boys gatherings in December and January.)

It’s almost like the Germans had a comprehensive national policy all along. Also German teachers are unionized, FYI. 🙄

Yes, some German states closed schools completely, others kept elementary schools hybrid. But your argument that their mitigation measures are otherwise stricter is irrelevant - what matters is the current community spread under which they are keeping schools (partially) open and how that compares to DC. Germany had a surge in many areas worse than DC has ever seen. Furthermore, not every state has a curfew. Germany does in fact not have "a comprehensive national strategy" when it comes to restrictions. Every state decides on the level of restrictions under their federal system. Lastly, the German teachers union is very different from the US and in fact powerless.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

OMG. NO THE VACCINE'S EFFICACY IS NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN GOOD HEALTH. THAT IS NOT HOW VACCINE EFFICACY IS MEASURED. GAHHHH. We are literally not back in school because so many people are scientifically illiterate.

No kidding. And if this is the next line of argument - that schools can't open even despite a phenomenally effective vaccine - God help this country.

The size of the country also has no bearing on this issue, especially here where school decisions are hyper local. It's just another excuse and deflection. And the fact that the US has more poverty and homelessness should make it more urgent to have kids in school, not less.

I agree with everything you're saying, except WTU has already used tis argument.

K. Well your race has a history of experimenting on black people and this vaccine sure came out quick, just saying people don't feel safe.

Also it's true, plenty of research about vaccines in general being less effective the poorer your health is. Better than nothing for sure though.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh the gaslighting. 'If teachers viewed their job as a calling.' 'when I was a kid teachers made me feel'
In Germany they have 24 kids...

You're kids won't have in person term 4 if they already don't. Unless some more teachers volunteer to go in person.

Fall, maybe there will be hybrid. I'm sorry it took a pandemic for teachers to realize their worth, now that they do there's no going back.

It’s not gaslighting if it’s factually true. Most European countries didn’t shrink class sizes. It’s just not true.

The pandemic is making me realize that some teachers are worth a lot more than others.

They aren't open now.

It actually depends on where you are. In Germany, the federal government has permitted schools to close, but many districts are still open on a hybrid basis. In the UK, schools are currently "closed" (having been open all year), but are still open for "key workers" children... at many schools that means there are more kids in school when school is "closed" than will be returning to schools here when DCPS "reopens." I genuinely think teachers don't realize how out of the norm the current DC situation is for both the US and the world.

It's interesting when those countries aren't even 1/10 of the size of the US. The poverty rates are lower, homelessness, obesity, etc.

If you think the state of the country doesn't have any change on the pandemic you're lying. A vaccine is only 95% effective if you're in good health.

OMG. NO THE VACCINE'S EFFICACY IS NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE IN GOOD HEALTH. THAT IS NOT HOW VACCINE EFFICACY IS MEASURED. GAHHHH. We are literally not back in school because so many people are scientifically illiterate.

No kidding. And if this is the next line of argument - that schools can't open even despite a phenomenally effective vaccine - God help this country.

The size of the country also has no bearing on this issue, especially here where school decisions are hyper local. It's just another excuse and deflection. And the fact that the US has more poverty and homelessness should make it more urgent to have kids in school, not less.

I agree with everything you're saying, except WTU has already used tis argument.

K. Well your race has a history of experimenting on black people and this vaccine sure came out quick, just saying people don't feel safe.

Also it's true, plenty of research about vaccines in general being less effective the poorer your health is. Better than nothing for sure though.

And they don't find it reassuring that all the white boomers in Ward 3 are scrambling to get vaccinated as soon as possible? Do they assume that the vaccine has somehow been engineered to be good for white people but harmful for Blacks?

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Anonymous wrote:We're hearing that a significant number of teachers at our school don't want to get vaccinated. So, I'm not sure vaccinations solve the problems at our charter.

If you are offered a vaccine and you refuse then that is not justification to stay on and teach virtually. Get the vaccine and go back to work or elect not to but still go back to work or lose your job.
Grocery store works, daycare workers, home health care & nursing /group homeworks don't get to keep their jobs if they refuse to show up. All of those jobs are equally or higher risk than teachers.

None of them are in a tiny room with 24+ kids with parents who can't be trusted, a poor building, and in some cases no windows.

Give these conditions to all these people and see how quickly those who are able to quit, see how quickly they strike.

Please read the CDC article in JAMA. Teachers are not getting it from kids. They’re just not. Transmission at school is teacher to teacher (I.e., the same as every other profession) of teacher to kid! The kids are so germy line from the WTU is just wrong; probably why they stopped using it. Please look at the science.

?? Kids can definitely spread the virus. Do you think teachers are magical beings who are immune without a shot?