Why not vaccinate all the teachers and be done with this ongoing drama?

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Anonymous wrote:We're hearing that a significant number of teachers at our school don't want to get vaccinated. So, I'm not sure vaccinations solve the problems at our charter.


If you are offered a vaccine and you refuse then that is not justification to stay on and teach virtually. Get the vaccine and go back to work or elect not to but still go back to work or lose your job.
Grocery store works, daycare workers, home health care & nursing /group homeworks don't get to keep their jobs if they refuse to show up. All of those jobs are equally or higher risk than teachers.


None of them are in a tiny room with 24+ kids with parents who can't be trusted, a poor building, and in some cases no windows.

Give these conditions to all these people and see how quickly those who are able to quit, see how quickly they strike.


Many daycare workers are in rooms with large numbers of kids for hours, and those kids have the same parents you are saying “can’t be trusted.” And yet daycares are making it work.

Grocery store workers, who make considerably less than teachers, are in buildings with no open windows for many hour shifts, coming into contact with all kinds of members of the general public, with no restrictions on who can enter, sometimes dodgy mask compliance, and often terrible healthcare and sick leave benefits.

When I see comments like this I get mad. I have teachers in my family. But my mom was a daycare worker and then a nurse for years. Teaching is not a harder or more risky job, in the context of Covid, than being a daycare worker. One of my oldest friends works at Trader Joe’s and feels stress everyday in her job, dealing with all kinds of people who are not taking sufficient precautions. But it’s her job and the economy sucks and she can’t do it remotely so she goes to work.

I’m not saying there is no risk to teachers (I don’t even support opening schools 2/1 due to current Covid rates and the new variant) but I am SO TIRED of seeing teachers acting like their jobs are uniquely risky. They aren’t! It’s just that unlike grocery store workers, waiters, retail workers, daycare workers, etc., teachers have real political power. That’s why you are home and people like my mom and my friend (the latter of who likely won’t have a vaccine for weeks or even months) are at work. Lots of people are in harms way every day. Stop acting like their situation is somehow magically safer than yours. It’s insulting.


1. I didn't list daycare workers but since you wanna talk about the birth-3 have a low chance of covid but ok.

2. Sorry your friend works in a fake grocery store. From whole foods to aldi they have barriers between customers and don't let them in without a mask. They limit the amount of people at once...causing the store to have you guessed it more space.

You know what's insulting? The fact that you want to say teachers are essential NOW. Too little and definitely too late.
Stop acting as if you know my situation, I don't care about yours and you don't care about mine.
Anonymous
Ugh, the same poster posts in every thread as though “essential worker” has some magic meaning it’s “too late” to assign to teachers now.
Anonymous
School opening is not based off teachers getting vaccinated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We're hearing that a significant number of teachers at our school don't want to get vaccinated. So, I'm not sure vaccinations solve the problems at our charter.


If you are offered a vaccine and you refuse then that is not justification to stay on and teach virtually. Get the vaccine and go back to work or elect not to but still go back to work or lose your job.
Grocery store works, daycare workers, home health care & nursing /group homeworks don't get to keep their jobs if they refuse to show up. All of those jobs are equally or higher risk than teachers.


None of them are in a tiny room with 24+ kids with parents who can't be trusted, a poor building, and in some cases no windows.

Give these conditions to all these people and see how quickly those who are able to quit, see how quickly they strike.


Please read the CDC article in JAMA. Teachers are not getting it from kids. They’re just not. Transmission at school is teacher to teacher (I.e., the same as every other profession) of teacher to kid! The kids are so germy line from the WTU is just wrong; probably why they stopped using it. Please look at the science.


I work with 2 other adults in a room half the size of general education.

I also generally have to deal with 3-5 adults coming in my classroom. This is not the majority of teachers of course (self-contained) but no way I would have volunteered to go back if I had to deal with the extra adults.

What about high schoolers? They are kids but get covid like adults.


I do see the science, I'm not really afraid of the kids, I deal with many other adults!



On some level, that’s more rational than many of defenses put forward. But that’s also the same position the 65% of DC’s workforce already working in person is in. It was only the “oh the germy kids” concerns now exposed as untrue that made teachers somehow more at risk. It is amazing the the Mayors weakness on this point have allowed teachers to just opt out of their jobs for 10 months while everyone else went back in DC, as well as most other teachers around the country went back with far higher COvID rates. Hold the line Mayor Bowser. You have the chance to salvage this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:School opening is not based off teachers getting vaccinated.


Then what is it based on?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:But that won't end the drama. There are other issues being raised by teachers and no one has ever said that, so long as teachers are offered the vaccine, they agree to go back.


This. Our school IS vaccinating all the teachers and in person staff but still won't commit to reopen!

Saying: covid case rate needs to anyway be very very low, whatabout kids transmitting back home, I don't know what else, yadda yadda, we won't open but we'll certainly take up your vaccines right now.


In person starts before most teachers get their first vaccine and before all get their second and a chance for immunity to build. Also, hospital capacity is nearing 90%. Get comfy with the idea that if you get covid from your kid or hit by a car and need to go to the hospital your likely going to a crappy one far away.

I agree with OP. What’s a month? Probably saving us from a surge we can’t handle snd hospital staff making decisions they don’t want.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But that won't end the drama. There are other issues being raised by teachers and no one has ever said that, so long as teachers are offered the vaccine, they agree to go back.


This. Our school IS vaccinating all the teachers and in person staff but still won't commit to reopen!

Saying: covid case rate needs to anyway be very very low, whatabout kids transmitting back home, I don't know what else, yadda yadda, we won't open but we'll certainly take up your vaccines right now.


In person starts before most teachers get their first vaccine and before all get their second and a chance for immunity to build. Also, hospital capacity is nearing 90%. Get comfy with the idea that if you get covid from your kid or hit by a car and need to go to the hospital your likely going to a crappy one far away.

I agree with OP. What’s a month? Probably saving us from a surge we can’t handle snd hospital staff making decisions they don’t want.


In person follows all teachers who were returning in person and opted in getting their first vaccine. Fixed that for you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We're hearing that a significant number of teachers at our school don't want to get vaccinated. So, I'm not sure vaccinations solve the problems at our charter.


If you are offered a vaccine and you refuse then that is not justification to stay on and teach virtually. Get the vaccine and go back to work or elect not to but still go back to work or lose your job.
Grocery store works, daycare workers, home health care & nursing /group homeworks don't get to keep their jobs if they refuse to show up. All of those jobs are equally or higher risk than teachers.


None of them are in a tiny room with 24+ kids with parents who can't be trusted, a poor building, and in some cases no windows.

Give these conditions to all these people and see how quickly those who are able to quit, see how quickly they strike.


Many daycare workers are in rooms with large numbers of kids for hours, and those kids have the same parents you are saying “can’t be trusted.” And yet daycares are making it work.

Grocery store workers, who make considerably less than teachers, are in buildings with no open windows for many hour shifts, coming into contact with all kinds of members of the general public, with no restrictions on who can enter, sometimes dodgy mask compliance, and often terrible healthcare and sick leave benefits.

When I see comments like this I get mad. I have teachers in my family. But my mom was a daycare worker and then a nurse for years. Teaching is not a harder or more risky job, in the context of Covid, than being a daycare worker. One of my oldest friends works at Trader Joe’s and feels stress everyday in her job, dealing with all kinds of people who are not taking sufficient precautions. But it’s her job and the economy sucks and she can’t do it remotely so she goes to work.

I’m not saying there is no risk to teachers (I don’t even support opening schools 2/1 due to current Covid rates and the new variant) but I am SO TIRED of seeing teachers acting like their jobs are uniquely risky. They aren’t! It’s just that unlike grocery store workers, waiters, retail workers, daycare workers, etc., teachers have real political power. That’s why you are home and people like my mom and my friend (the latter of who likely won’t have a vaccine for weeks or even months) are at work. Lots of people are in harms way every day. Stop acting like their situation is somehow magically safer than yours. It’s insulting.


1. I didn't list daycare workers but since you wanna talk about the birth-3 have a low chance of covid but ok.

2. Sorry your friend works in a fake grocery store. From whole foods to aldi they have barriers between customers and don't let them in without a mask. They limit the amount of people at once...causing the store to have you guessed it more space.

You know what's insulting? The fact that you want to say teachers are essential NOW. Too little and definitely too late.
Stop acting as if you know my situation, I don't care about yours and you don't care about mine.


You said “none of them” are in a classroom with children whose parents you don’t trust. You did not exclude daycare workers. Who, as we know, absolutely are in the same position as teachers and are going in.

Oh, so 0-3 is “safe”? First of all, no it’s not— many of the people I know who have gotten Covid have gotten it from daycare. Also, do 3 year olds magically become infectious if they make the cut-off for PK in DCPS? So 3 yr olds attending daycare are not a risk, but 3 yr olds attending PK are? Lady, you are telling on yourself.

My friend works in a real grocery store, thanks. Yes, they have a mask requirement and plastic barriers, just like schools! They are supposed to limit the number of people coming in, and they used to, but my friend has told me the store is packed during evening rush now and they stopped staffing someone at the door to manage crowds. Unlike a school where you will never have more than the same group of assigned students in the room.

The ridiculous thing about this argument is that you think you are arguing against some entitled, teacher-hating, “open schools now” parent. And you are making these desperate nonsensical arguments that any policy maker would dismiss in a heartbeat. But actually I’m a parent who is very worried about in person starting 2/1, worried for the teachers at my school, and not sending my kid. I am committed to a safe in-person environment for teachers, staff and kids and I don’t think that can be done with numbers as they are and new strains emerging.

I’m actually on your side. But the arguments you are making are bad. They aren’t true, and they make people mad. They make me mad, and I’m on your side! Because they are insulting and they privilege teachers above so many other essential workers. It’s stuff like this that is alienating parents and contributing to this dysfunctional environment. You are hurting your own cause.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But that won't end the drama. There are other issues being raised by teachers and no one has ever said that, so long as teachers are offered the vaccine, they agree to go back.


This. Our school IS vaccinating all the teachers and in person staff but still won't commit to reopen!

Saying: covid case rate needs to anyway be very very low, whatabout kids transmitting back home, I don't know what else, yadda yadda, we won't open but we'll certainly take up your vaccines right now.


In person starts before most teachers get their first vaccine and before all get their second and a chance for immunity to build. Also, hospital capacity is nearing 90%. Get comfy with the idea that if you get covid from your kid or hit by a car and need to go to the hospital your likely going to a crappy one far away.

I agree with OP. What’s a month? Probably saving us from a surge we can’t handle snd hospital staff making decisions they don’t want.


The problem with a month is that a month from now there will be another reason that the teachers union wants to wait another month. At that point, whatever the new thing is will seem as scary to you as what you fear today (that's not supported by the available data). It's been going on all year.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I want everyone in the school to be required to be vaccinated and then return in person.


If this includes students, then you're looking at a very long time before seeing the inside of a school building.



I kinda agree and think that we need to make sure our parents A.k.a. regular folks can get vaccinated.

And then provide a distance-learning option until kids can get vaccinated safely. My kid is at risk for misc c given an over active immune system (according to pwd kids with the 3 (asthma, eczema, and allergies) have been associated with increased risk.


This risk is still (1) TINY and (2) applies to ALL viruses, just so you know; there is no evidence that COVID carries an increased risk of MISC C relative to the flu.


Actually covid does have more of a risk than the flu to result in a music c reaction. My kid has had one from the flu. This year covid is far more rampant than covid. My decision should be different than yours. I’m just suggesting their should be options for this school year. Our ped said a vac for kids 10+ should be available by late spring and kids 5+ end of summer.

People including children with intellectual disabilities are far more likely to die from covid (more than twice as much). Simply not true for the flu.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Teachers will get vaccinated and then still refuse to teach. Bank on it. They'll argue it somehow still isn't safe.


They've already started this argument. I've seen MULTIPLE posts on here from teachers stating that they won't go back until all the kids are vaccinated as well....
Anonymous
So fire them. Kids may not be vaccinated until the late fall. The WTU is holding DC children hostage and deserves to pay. Union intransigence is starting to give DC bad press not only locally and regionally, but nationally and internationally. Enough already.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So fire them. Kids may not be vaccinated until the late fall. The WTU is holding DC children hostage and deserves to pay. Union intransigence is starting to give DC bad press not only locally and regionally, but nationally and internationally. Enough already.


Trials have not started in kids under 12. The FDA will likely not issue an EUA for kids. Kids will not be vaccinated by "late fall". It will likely be years.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers will get vaccinated and then still refuse to teach. Bank on it. They'll argue it somehow still isn't safe.


They've already started this argument. I've seen MULTIPLE posts on here from teachers stating that they won't go back until all the kids are vaccinated as well....


It’s an anon site. How do you know they are teachers? How do you know I’m not a pissed off 16 year old laughing because mom can’t hack it?

You are adorable
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:School opening is not based off teachers getting vaccinated.


Then what is it based on?


It’s based on the term 3 start date. DCPS is so married to this idea that opening and closings work on their calendar. The virus is very excited about this.

Once more teachers are properly vaccinated more kids could come back but DCPS won’t entertain until term 4 because no one knows but DCPS has to DCPS
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