Teachers and parents were right: 19 outbreaks in DC K-12 schools so far

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For perspective, the number of kids dying from gun violence is much higher than covid and the flu combined, and the pandemic (including school closures) is causing this rate to rise since the home is by far the highest risk setting for gun violence even when you count school shootings.

#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 0-11): 271
#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 12-17): 979

*These #s do not include the kids who were injured by guns.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-children-being-shot-with-guns/65-005b8e4d-8e7c-42a6-9ee7-d1e7a2ac7539

This country has a terrible record with gun violence and children. Look at Sandy Hook. We need a national policy (kinda like we do for covid). I don’t know what this has to do with this conversation.

kids being kept at home = greater risk of kids dying in shootings

Are people really not getting this? Time to wake up to the fact that kids are at higher risk of dying from schools being closed than they are from the virus. Call it an unintended consequence if you will. Similar to how child abuse reports are way down this year. Do you think it's because all the economic strain, job loss, and 24/7 togetherness resulted in people suddenly not abusing kids anymore?

This pandemic has exasperated the stress this society places on schools. We really need to come together to develop social programs and a safety net in this country. Opening schools isn’t going to solve this problem.

I think you mean exacerbated. People are rightfully exasperated that schools are the last thing to open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For perspective, the number of kids dying from gun violence is much higher than covid and the flu combined, and the pandemic (including school closures) is causing this rate to rise since the home is by far the highest risk setting for gun violence even when you count school shootings.

#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 0-11): 271
#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 12-17): 979

*These #s do not include the kids who were injured by guns.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-children-being-shot-with-guns/65-005b8e4d-8e7c-42a6-9ee7-d1e7a2ac7539

This country has a terrible record with gun violence and children. Look at Sandy Hook. We need a national policy (kinda like we do for covid). I don’t know what this has to do with this conversation.

kids being kept at home = greater risk of kids dying in shootings

Are people really not getting this? Time to wake up to the fact that kids are at higher risk of dying from schools being closed than they are from the virus. Call it an unintended consequence if you will. Similar to how child abuse reports are way down this year. Do you think it's because all the economic strain, job loss, and 24/7 togetherness resulted in people suddenly not abusing kids anymore?

This pandemic has exasperated the stress this society places on schools. We really need to come together to develop social programs and a safety net in this country. Opening schools isn’t going to solve this problem.

Opening schools isn't going to solve this problem, but European experts consider these side effects of school closures to be valid concerns and arguments to keep schools open. They are considered an integral part of the social safety net. Americans resort to the excuse that we are asking too much of schools. I'm sure there are calls to privatize those functions instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For perspective, the number of kids dying from gun violence is much higher than covid and the flu combined, and the pandemic (including school closures) is causing this rate to rise since the home is by far the highest risk setting for gun violence even when you count school shootings.

#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 0-11): 271
#kids who died from gun violence in 2019 (age 12-17): 979

*These #s do not include the kids who were injured by guns.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/more-children-being-shot-with-guns/65-005b8e4d-8e7c-42a6-9ee7-d1e7a2ac7539

This country has a terrible record with gun violence and children. Look at Sandy Hook. We need a national policy (kinda like we do for covid). I don’t know what this has to do with this conversation.

kids being kept at home = greater risk of kids dying in shootings

Are people really not getting this? Time to wake up to the fact that kids are at higher risk of dying from schools being closed than they are from the virus. Call it an unintended consequence if you will. Similar to how child abuse reports are way down this year. Do you think it's because all the economic strain, job loss, and 24/7 togetherness resulted in people suddenly not abusing kids anymore?

This pandemic has exasperated the stress this society places on schools. We really need to come together to develop social programs and a safety net in this country. Opening schools isn’t going to solve this problem.

Opening schools isn't going to solve this problem, but European experts consider these side effects of school closures to be valid concerns and arguments to keep schools open. They are considered an integral part of the social safety net. Americans resort to the excuse that we are asking too much of schools. I'm sure there are calls to privatize those functions instead.

+1. Europeans probably fund schools better than we do in this country. We've been disinvesting in the public education system for a looooooooooonnnnnnnng time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

How do kids get to/from school in Europe?

In most places school buses are being used here in the States and people aren’t realizing in DC we have kids who are needing to Metro to and from as well as access the bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

Congratulations, this is the biggest overreach to try to find reasons to not reopen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:from a later tweet

Dr. Nesbitt explained today that an "outbreak" is 2 or more cases within a 14 day period. It could be 2 cases, or as many as 30.

It would be great if DC could release more data to get a sense of scale for these outbreaks.

But at least 2 cases in K-12 schools, 19 times.

Thanks for the info. If 2 kids in 2 different classes each get covid about a week and a half apart, due to going out to eat or traveling to visit family, I wouldn’t be worried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we guesstimate that Schools with a higher percentage of kids taking public transportation will have more outbreaks?

Yes but it depends on who else is using the bus, and how. If the buses and trains remain at low utilization, and all people including kids are wearing their masks then there would probably not be a correlation between high using public transport schools and neighborhood schools where everyone walks to school. And if there were I think there would be some con-founding factors which would need to be teased out.

public transport use would go up as parents would need to ride with and then without their kids
metro is also not running like normal so the people who need it the most will be hurt the most
some families leave their homes at 6:30 to get across town on the bus - be grateful that isn't you (this also means they get home at 7 and kids go straight to bed) now they would have to leave even earlier and stand in the cold longer for waiting for the bus to get to school for in person so you can have daycare for your kids

[Anonymous]

12 dcps staff now are covid positive and 10 are in quarantine

i would love to know what the percentage is

the pos rate in dc is now up to 4% and is going to go up

we are going to need to lock down and it makes me so sad

[Anonymous]

wait now for the 2,000 examples of Europe where everyone has healthcare but not one example of the US except for private schools where people pay to have small classrooms and sign contracts to adhere to covid rules (and no public transport either)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12 dcps staff now are covid positive and 10 are in quarantine

i would love to know what the percentage is

the pos rate in dc is now up to 4% and is going to go up

we are going to need to lock down and it makes me so sad

Most of those DCPS staff probably saw their families for Thanskgiving (or engaged in other small to medium sized social gatherings) or ate out at restaurants, just like most people in DC who are currently getting COVID. The percentage of positives in DCPS staff right now is meaningless w/o any evidence of in person transmission (or even, to start with, a break down of how many of those cases even *could* represent in person transmission; are those 12 staff in 12 different schools or 12 staff members in one school, for example?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

Congratulations, this is the biggest overreach to try to find reasons to not reopen.

You must not read the threads. This exact quote was posted by someone. Maybe they were a troll. But that is what they said. People should not be allowed to stay at home (like Germany). Parents should not get a choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

Congratulations, this is the biggest overreach to try to find reasons to not reopen.

You must not read the threads. This exact quote was posted by someone. Maybe they were a troll. But that is what they said. People should not be allowed to stay at home (like Germany). Parents should not get a choice.

Yes, how ridiculous it is to say that parents should not get a choice of whether to return in person... Oh wait.