Teachers and parents were right: 19 outbreaks in DC K-12 schools so far

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugh at people making cost benefit analysis about people dying alone in a room

And yet you go the grocery where people go to work every day.

You order take out, which someone has to cook and someone else has to bring to your step.

You get daily packages from amazon. Those things you bought were made by other people going to work, and then a bunch of other people got that thing delivered across the country to your front step.

You can take your kids to the doctor.

And to daycare.

If you get sick, you can go to the hospital and lots of people will take care of you — even if you have coronavirus.

If someone breaks into your house, the police show up.

You’re perfectly happy to benefit from other people going to work everyday. Maybe you could do your part? And help those people’s children have the same chance at a good life that you had?

Cc: WTU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

[Anonymous]

19 isn’t really a big deal is if?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

You are really reaching - and your DH wouldn't buy your argument either. he took a medical oath and is obligated per his lisc to see patients. A teacher didn't take such an oath. What you basically said is if a fireman is scared of fire they shouldn't have to go to work - if that were the case they wouldn't be a fireman.

[Anonymous]

Private schools have been open in DC for months.

Same with daycares.

Same with day camps.

Public school teachers need to turn off Wheel of Fortune, get off the couch and go to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Private schools have been open in DC for months.

Same with daycares.

Same with day camps.

Public school teachers need to turn off Wheel of Fortune, get off the couch and go to work.

I’ve been watching Jeopardy not wheel of fortune. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Private schools have been open in DC for months.

Same with daycares.

Same with day camps.

Public school teachers need to turn off Wheel of Fortune, get off the couch and go to work.

I’ve been watching Jeopardy not wheel of fortune. Thank you very much.

And yes whine that they are watching a show at 7 pm when they should be off the clock. If teachers were paid for every hour they work off the clock they would be millionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

Average wage of a DC teacher is 66k. And nurses it ranges from 55k-90k, the reason being there are so many types of nurses. My sister is a nurse and her starting pay was 80k.

Also in their field teachers are the equivalent of a doctor, the nurse is more of an equivalent to a paraprofessional. Unless you're like a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, that might as well be a doctor.

*Note for the daft, not saying these professions are alike or that teachers should be paid exactly like a doctor or a registered nurse is exactly like a para. We are talking about their roles in the field.



Back to the main point that schools cause more outbreaks than restaurants and bars, we should make a note of that and make sure we are doing ONLY hybrid and Wednesday cleaning. Stricter rules and DCPS needs to reinforce them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

Average wage of a DC teacher is 66k. And nurses it ranges from 55k-90k, the reason being there are so many types of nurses. My sister is a nurse and her starting pay was 80k.

Also in their field teachers are the equivalent of a doctor, the nurse is more of an equivalent to a paraprofessional. Unless you're like a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, that might as well be a doctor.

*Note for the daft, not saying these professions are alike or that teachers should be paid exactly like a doctor or a registered nurse is exactly like a para. We are talking about their roles in the field.



Back to the main point that schools cause more outbreaks than restaurants and bars, we should make a note of that and make sure we are doing ONLY hybrid and Wednesday cleaning. Stricter rules and DCPS needs to reinforce them.

Teachers are the equivalent of doctors - LOL - per DCUM they are overpaid babysitters.

Yes more lockdown; more enforcement; and better plans for reopening.

DC has this horrible issue of the feds though - white house being ground zero right now; regan building outbreak, etc. But maybe with the cold that will stop and then we will see some better behavior. if only we could get freezing rain for a few weeks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

You are really reaching - and your DH wouldn't buy your argument either. he took a medical oath and is obligated per his lisc to see patients. A teacher didn't take such an oath. What you basically said is if a fireman is scared of fire they shouldn't have to go to work - if that were the case they wouldn't be a fireman.

This is complete nonsense. Doctors don’t take an oath to see patients. During Ebola, plenty of doctors opted out of seeing those patients, FYI. The point is that a teacher is similarly positioned to a doctor — or if you’re obsessed with medicine being the differentiator — let’s say a public utility worker or a mailman or a bus driver or a prison guard — s/he performs a job that serves a public good. His or her own personal feelings about whether she or he wants to be back are not relevant to the question of how society should make the decision overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

Congratulations, this is the biggest overreach to try to find reasons to not reopen.

You must not read the threads. This exact quote was posted by someone. Maybe they were a troll. But that is what they said. People should not be allowed to stay at home (like Germany). Parents should not get a choice.

DP. This is funny because I posted both the "Those families should have the option to continue DL" comment above as well as the comment a few days ago to which I believe you are referring regarding parents' poor choices and the policy in Germany. No, I'm not a troll. I do believe that families with documented high-risk situations should have the option to continue DL. That doesn't mean I don't think that the large proportion of parents in DC who would choose DL for their kids right now are not necessarily choosing what is in their kids' best interest. However, I do not believe we in the US should try to force even those people to send their kids to school, and I did not say that in my post a few days ago. I know the German approach, which I believe is ultimately better for kids, wouldn't fly in a country that has such loose homeschooling rules even in non-pandemic times. Also, I did mention previously that Germany allows families with documented high-risk situations to keep their kids home. I'm not sure what exactly the rules are and I'm sure they are fairly strict, but they don't force absolutely everybody to be in school. They just don't allow parents to make this choice purely out of fear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tested positive for Covid yesterday. I am a teacher in a country where schools have been open since May, and we remained open each time a student tested positive. We would simply send the child and the child's 'bubble group' home.

I am devastated. I have been so frightened of this for so long, but I need to work and that is the only reason I have been going to school.

I hate that parents at our school echo the sentiments I see here. The kids are fine and the few who have had Covid bounced back quickly! And, and, and...it's only one or two teachers, so this is a success!

But I'm the one teacher who tested positive on that routine rapid test. I'm the one now at home and terrified. Lovely to know that I am worth so little. To me, the in-person learning is not a success.

I'm very sorry for the position you're in and that you're terrified, but my husband is a ER doctor who treats patients in the hospital with COVID. I assume you think he should keep going to work? The fact that you are now anti-in person learning because you personally got COVID is too bad, but not particularly relevant to the overall societal calculus. Europe has made the right call. Yes, schools; no, restaurants & bars. The priorities in this country are just sad.

Wow talk about an overreach

Are you suggesting we pay teachers the same as an ER doctor?

An ER doctor is the last line of defense in this not the first

The first is people staying at home as much as possible and then more so.

My cousin is an ER doc. Guess what she’s not sending her kids back or trying too. She is only seeing
Covid patients. She’s not going to risk making asymptotic kids and sending them into a school. She’s also not seeing her parents even at a distance and they are her childcare. So it all falls to her DH. He’s stepping up as he can’t go in person

This was not at all my point. My point was that if my DH gets COvID and so he then decides he favors hospitals being closed... Would anyone care? Would that be relevant? Because, guess what, tons of his colleagues have gotten COvID. Including his nursing colleagues, who make less than a DCPS teacher on average.

You are really reaching - and your DH wouldn't buy your argument either. he took a medical oath and is obligated per his lisc to see patients. A teacher didn't take such an oath. What you basically said is if a fireman is scared of fire they shouldn't have to go to work - if that were the case they wouldn't be a fireman.

This is complete nonsense. Doctors don’t take an oath to see patients. During Ebola, plenty of doctors opted out of seeing those patients, FYI. The point is that a teacher is similarly positioned to a doctor — or if you’re obsessed with medicine being the differentiator — let’s say a public utility worker or a mailman or a bus driver or a prison guard — s/he performs a job that serves a public good. His or her own personal feelings about whether she or he wants to be back are not relevant to the question of how society should make the decision overall.

Exactly. If the same percentage of employees in other public servant jobs decided it wasn't safe and they were going to stay home, society would collapse.

Teachers are not white collar workers who can carry out the same job from home. They are doing a job that requires presence in a classroom with students. Especially elementary school. This online learning was only an acceptable substitute for the very short term. Short term is over. We know how to make schools safe. DCPS has implemented enhance covid safety standards in schools and we know they work because of the MANY other school systems in this country and others that have implemented them and not had outbreaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many DCPS students are being raised by a high risk parent, grandparent, guardian?

Those families should have the option to continue DL. They should not determine policy for everyone.

Exactly. We need to reopen for students.

But I read on this here board that some people don’t make good choices for their families. That in Europe attendance is required (no virtual option just cause people are scared/don’t want to send kids) and that should be replicated here. So it appears some people posting here for schools to open want to force their choice on everyone.

Congratulations, this is the biggest overreach to try to find reasons to not reopen.

You must not read the threads. This exact quote was posted by someone. Maybe they were a troll. But that is what they said. People should not be allowed to stay at home (like Germany). Parents should not get a choice.

DP. This is funny because I posted both the "Those families should have the option to continue DL" comment above as well as the comment a few days ago to which I believe you are referring regarding parents' poor choices and the policy in Germany. No, I'm not a troll. I do believe that families with documented high-risk situations should have the option to continue DL. That doesn't mean I don't think that the large proportion of parents in DC who would choose DL for their kids right now are not necessarily choosing what is in their kids' best interest. However, I do not believe we in the US should try to force even those people to send their kids to school, and I did not say that in my post a few days ago. I know the German approach, which I believe is ultimately better for kids, wouldn't fly in a country that has such loose homeschooling rules even in non-pandemic times. Also, I did mention previously that Germany allows families with documented high-risk situations to keep their kids home. I'm not sure what exactly the rules are and I'm sure they are fairly strict, but they don't force absolutely everybody to be in school. They just don't allow parents to make this choice purely out of fear.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Re. the OP:

"D.C. officials acknowledged Tuesday that they are not seeing community spread within school buildings."

So they had to walk it back a day later and admit that those cases did not originate in classrooms, and that the cases didn't have to be linked in order to be considered an "outbreak". This means either they lied in the original release about what was an "outbreak source" or they're even bigger morons than I have given them credit for.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-released-data-showing-outbreaks-in-schools-it-did-not-show-that-cases-spread-in-classrooms/2020/12/08/763bc456-398a-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html