DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

[Anonymous]

Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

Not.
One.
Day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

We are questioning the accuracy of Prof Hardass’ computer time.

Deep breath. It doesn't work that way. It's marked by the server that received the student upload, which it records, and displays for all. The professor's computer time has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

We are questioning the accuracy of Prof Hardass’ computer time.

The point is that it isn't Prof Hardass' computer time. It is Google Classroom's computer time, or Blackboard's computer time. Besides, in the Year of Our Lord 2020, I guarantee the professor put "according to Blackboard" or whatever in the syllabus.

[Anonymous]

Let me guess. The OP’s kid went to a public HS where there were no penalties (or lax ones) for late assignments? This is how schools are doing are disservice to students that plus lax standards and inflated grading. College is not where students should be learning what it really means to be a student. My kid goes to a private school and being in public. He learned by Thanksgiving of 9th grade that late was one minute after the deadline. If he didn’t bring completed homework to class, bringing it after class meant it was late and subject to the late penalties in the syllabus. During DL, the teachers all started off with the speech that everything was due at 11:59. They said to avoid issues, make sure to upload assignments by 11:30nat the latest. If they had still had issues uploading at 11:40, send the teacher an email with the attached work and take a screenshot of the upload attempt. This was taught and learned at age 14. I’d be pissed if my kid’s HS wasn’t as serious about this as his college was going to be. Maybe going to a boy’s school is a good thing. They know what boys are like so they teach them and then enforce their lessons. Boys are known for procrastination. They teach them early and often that it won’t pay to leave it until the last minute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Do you see how petulant it is to make these impactful conditions based on technicalities that are insignificant to the educational process?

The only reason to do it is for stigginit to the student. If that’s what floats your boat, then have at it. Yes, it will teach the kid a good lesson: how to deal with an absolute asshole of a boss.

Hi poster. I appreciate your thoughts here and think you have some interesting ideas. I suggest you visit the Writing Center to get some advice on word choice and general flow.

[Anonymous]

DH is a professor. He said the kid should have told the professor he was sick and asked for an extension, but that the professor is being “a ridiculous hardass.” He’s supportive of going to the higher-ups in the Department.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

Yes the prof should have accepted it. But he might not believe your son. If I were your son I’d write the tech dept that programs the deadline and ask them if it should have been programmed 11:59:59. Ignore the jerks who say you are helicoptering.

Anyone on A DCUM education forum is helicoptering.

Why would anyone wait till 11:59 to submit something? What if your computer crashed, Internet is down, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

Not.
One.
Day.

Who cares.

Their philosophy department is set up to teach their students to shoot to kill on the order. They don’t want soldiers questioning things in the battle field. Any other philosophy departments anywhere else in the world, they are allowed to question why killing is morally permissible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one that wants this sort of structure for my kid? These are lessons he needs to learn before he’ll ever be ready to hold any sort of meaningful job.

No. But this was a misunderstanding/computer glitch. Anyone who says 11:59 means before midnight. OP’s kid complied. But got burned anyway. The lesson for such a situation is that in cases like this, you advocate for yourself, politely and forthrightly.

Lol.
No.
The professor said the deadline was 11:59. He meant 11:59.

[Anonymous]

I was in grad school the first time I got burned by a rule like this. In that case, it was writing over the hard word limit.

Guess what I never did again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

Not.
One.
Day.

If this is an opening for us to be completely frank regardless of how it makes someone feel, I would like to join in.

Your patronizing condescension makes you seem like a total (think of the worst curse word).

Hope.
This.
Helps.

[Anonymous]

This is like complaining to Alex Trebeck and all the network execs that you should have won Jeopardy but forgot to answer with "What is....?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

We are questioning the accuracy of Prof Hardass’ computer time.

The point is that it isn't Prof Hardass' computer time. It is Google Classroom's computer time, or Blackboard's computer time. Besides, in the Year of Our Lord 2020, I guarantee the professor put "according to Blackboard" or whatever in the syllabus.

If a violation of law happens on the 11th day - but not on the 10th day - that’s not based on Google time. It’s based on some sort of legally acceptable calendar time. Google is not the law of the land. Now, you can argue all the way to the Supreme Court on what constitutes a legally acceptable calendar time - or you can just wait till the 12th day before penalty starts. It’s called common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

Not.
One.
Day.

Who cares.

Their philosophy department is set up to teach their students to shoot to kill on the order. They don’t want soldiers questioning things in the battle field. Any other philosophy departments anywhere else in the world, they are allowed to question why killing is morally permissible.

Well, yes, of course. That's the way the military works, idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

No, the professor most likely doesn't. I have a friend who you would call Prof. Hardass and a student has never won an appeal based on time stamps/ lateness because he uses the LMS to time stamp assignments, never makes an exception and is very clear about policies in the syllabus. Higher ups in most colleges don't consider these type of appeals or else they want to get rid of the professor or there is a history of fairness issues such as inconsistently applying a lateness policy.

I tell my students in person and on the syllabus that 11:59 means any time prior to 12:00a. I deduct points that are clearly outlined in the syllabus. In my 12 years of teaching I have never had a student challenge my lateness policy. In comparison, my Prof. Hardass colleague allows no exceptions and does not accept late work is challenged all the time even though students do not win. I avoid such headaches.