DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

[Anonymous]

What professor has an assignment due on June 20?

Troll.

You don't believe in summer classes? They are real. My son started a new class on Monday and finished up his first summer class on Tuesday.

This particular professor should probably include a warning that anything received at 11:59:01 or later will not be accepted so he can avoid similar complaints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

Not.
One.
Day.

Who cares.

Their philosophy department is set up to teach their students to shoot to kill on the order. They don’t want soldiers questioning things in the battle field. Any other philosophy departments anywhere else in the world, they are allowed to question why killing is morally permissible.

Well, yes, of course. That's the way the military works, idiot.

OP didn’t say his or her student joined the military, idiot. S/he joined a university.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do not encourage your son to go to the department head. I guarantee you, this is not a good interaction that reflects well on the student, especially if this is the first time complaining to a department head or if there is a more significant issue to deal with in the future (this would paint the student as petty and not put them in a favorable position). While we don't make fun of these things necessarily in faculty meetings, we do complain about the ridiculousness of student requests like this very often. It's not a good look.

The way this stuff works is the the assignment displays for students as:
Due Jun 20 at 11:59pm

The instructor interface says
Due at 11:59:00pm

The computer marks as late, not the professor. It's a machine-graded hard line for a reason.

Lesson learned. Suck it up.

It’s that attitude that has me looking forward to the crash of higher education.

Lol. That isn’t happening. This is just a reflection of the real world.

If the Packers are on the two yard line and snap the ball after the buzzer, the play doesn’t count if they score a touchdown to win the game.

Have you looked at the numbers? The future looked grim for higher ed before covid put remote learning on steroids and crushed state budgetary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What professor has an assignment due on June 20?

Troll.

My kid just started summer classes. 4 credits at NOVA and 2 through his college. It’s not a summer where there were great work options.

I have a rising ADHD college freshman and am a lawyer.

If my kid came to me, I would say: The professor is right, the kid is wrong. And you always add a cushion for computer glitches. And that the best chance is probably to email the professor, explain the misinterpretation, admit the mistake and politely ask if it is possible to get a reduced grade due to the lateness. But be prepared for a no. And to not go above the professor because they are in the wrong, and they don’t want to make a bad name for themselves in the department.

If I was the professor, I would probably let 11:59:00 to 11:59:59 kids off with a grade deduction— if they were first semester freshmen. Beyond that, they should already know the deal.

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe this. The life lesson here is to not leave things until the last possible second because stuff goes wrong and you need time to recover. Like a PP said, by 11:30 you make your first attempt so you have time to make a second attempt and shoot off an email. That’s at a minimum. Really, you get it in by 6 pm or so, unless the assignment is a rapid turnaround one.

Professionally, I give two deadlines. COB and OOB. COB means I’m coming in over the weekend or extra early and I need it to be there so I meet my own follow on deadline of noon or whatever. OOB means that I will be working on that project mid morning or later. Your input better be there. This is how the world works. Get your stuff done by the time it’s asked for, and earlier is better. If you need an extension, you better get to me a day or so out so we can determine if there is flexibility in deadlines or not.

Do nothing, OP, and the professor should stand his/her ground so that we now have another human who will learn never to be late again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not encourage your son to go to the department head. I guarantee you, this is not a good interaction that reflects well on the student, especially if this is the first time complaining to a department head or if there is a more significant issue to deal with in the future (this would paint the student as petty and not put them in a favorable position). While we don't make fun of these things necessarily in faculty meetings, we do complain about the ridiculousness of student requests like this very often. It's not a good look.

The way this stuff works is the the assignment displays for students as:
Due Jun 20 at 11:59pm

The instructor interface says
Due at 11:59:00pm

The computer marks as late, not the professor. It's a machine-graded hard line for a reason.

Lesson learned. Suck it up.

It’s that attitude that has me looking forward to the crash of higher education.

Lol. That isn’t happening. This is just a reflection of the real world.

If the Packers are on the two yard line and snap the ball after the buzzer, the play doesn’t count if they score a touchdown to win the game.

Have you looked at the numbers? The future looked grim for higher ed before covid put remote learning on steroids and crushed state budgetary

Now look at "the numbers" of $100K+ jobs out there that don't require a college degree. I've posted and filled about 20 jobs as hiring authority over the yeras. Each job required a college degree.

Best of luck!

[Anonymous]

How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

[Anonymous]

I think all the Hardass people are in state unis. In private colleges, SLACs, I don’t see the Prof Hardass problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

if that is true, it is STUPID, and a system that should not be used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

That’s his problem because the burden of proof is on him. That would be like a red light camera marking a violator as “late” without the timestamp. Good luck with that in the court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg land the helicopter immediately.

THIS

"DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience."

That should have been the end of it.

I am getting very concerned about gen x and their ability to do anything for themselves.

Gen x is 40+

OP doesn't mention his/her age, and could be Gen X

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

if that is true, it is STUPID, and a system that should not be used.

LOL. And then what? When they take the GMAT or the LSAT or the Bar exam, they can feel free to ignore the time limits and deadline, or whine about them, or dispute them?

[Anonymous]

I think it’s unfair because I could see your son being confused and thinking it was OK to turn it in anytime the timestamp will be 1159.

But I have taught in higher ed and complaining to hire ups probably won’t help and could give your son a bad rep. I would recommend he write the professor a politely persuasive email about his confusion re what time he thought would be late and leave it at that.

I used to set mine due at 11:59:59 for this very reason.

[Anonymous]

The LMS used at my university (Canvas) automatically marks work submitted after deadline as LATE (in red letters, no less) AND gives a date and time stamp, even if the work is submitted days/weeks late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do you want to bet there’s no time stamp after the deadline so the professor can’t tell that it came in 2 seconds after the deadline or 20 hours? Professor may only know that it is “late.”

Both Canvas and BB stamp submissions down to the second. It's very detailed. And late assignments are red boxes whereas on-time are green in the grade book overview.

For the PPs talking about "google time" who are really into proof and are citizen-litigating this, I get it, but that does not apply to how this works. It's silly.