DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

[Anonymous]

I struggle to understand how this ONE class will impact grad/professional programs.

Is it a math class he needs for an Econ PhD application?

Otherwise, no one class will make a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

I mean, technically yes...? I’m not sure how you don’t see that. A deadline is the *latest* time by which something should be completed, i.e. 11:59:00. So, something submitted at 11:59:01’would be late. Should have submitted it by 11:58:59.

Seriously though, how many kids literally submitted AT 11:59? I’m having a hard time believing it was multiple and they are really trying to take this up to higher levels. It’s a good lesson in critical thinking and attention to detail, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg land the helicopter immediately.

THIS

"DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience."

That should have been the end of it.

I am getting very concerned about gen x and their ability to do anything for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg land the helicopter immediately.

THIS

"DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience."

That should have been the end of it.

I am getting very concerned about gen x and their ability to do anything for themselves.

Gen x is 40+

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

I mean, technically yes...? I’m not sure how you don’t see that. A deadline is the *latest* time by which something should be completed, i.e. 11:59:00. So, something submitted at 11:59:01’would be late. Should have submitted it by 11:58:59.

Seriously though, how many kids literally submitted AT 11:59? I’m having a hard time believing it was multiple and they are really trying to take this up to higher levels. It’s a good lesson in critical thinking and attention to detail, though.

That’s what happens when you wait until literally the last moment to submit something. He should have submitted at least 5-10 minutes early in case there were any lag issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:23:30 here. You would think from the previous responses that nobody ever ask their parents for any advice after their 18th birthday. That is just not the way families work and that is not the way young adults necessarily need to work in order to grow and evolve.

There’s a difference between a parent giving advice and a parent posting on an anonymous forum asking what to have her adult son do.

No, it's a parent posting anonymously to help decide what advice to give.

A practical tip about working until deadlines--you cannot assume all computer systems are reporting time correctly. My work computer I have at home doesn't let me correct the time ( I can't even access task manager!), and for whatever reason it does not update time by itself when rebooted, and when I got reassigned I don't access the VPN I did before, which would have updated the time correctly. So it is consistently 3 minutes different from the VDI system I now access.

[Anonymous]

I can’t say I have ever heard of a student complaining to the department because of something like this. I don’t think there is any harm asking the Professor to reconsider or mark it down or ask if he would consider assigning an extra credit assignment
If the deadline is 11.59 that means it has to be submitted before then.
I am also wondering why so many students are submitting an assignment at exactly 11.59. Sounds strange.
Nothing wrong with your child asking you for advice. Tell him what you think and butt out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg land the helicopter immediately.

THIS

"DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience."

That should have been the end of it.

I am getting very concerned about gen x and their ability to do anything for themselves.

And I’m concerned about anyone who thinks current college kids are Gen X.

[Anonymous]

Are you really sure he submitted it at 11:59. Or he submitted it at 11:59 and it took a few seconds to go through so it was time stamped at 12:00?

[Anonymous]

Is the assignment still graded as usual with points off because of what is being defined as a late submission? Or does he receive a 0/F?

If it’s the former, the advice is easy...exactly what he is saying to himself. It’s a learning experience, and he will remember it whenever he’s faced with a deadline he needs to stick to from now on. It’ll ultimately be a positive thing for him, a growing experience. And to leave it alone since he has the professor’s answer.

If it’s the latter and it causes a major drop in grade, that’s harder since he technically did submit it at the last time that was allowed. If the syllabus did not specifically state that an 11:59 deadline means 11:59:01 on the computer is late, to me 11:59 counts no matter what the seconds are after that, since we in our US society don’t look at time that way. We look at 11:59 or 12:00. Not 11:59:00 or 11:59:01. On our standard clocks, 11:59:00 and 11:59:59 are still 11:59. I guess I’d say stand by to see what happens with the others who submitted their appeal and see what happens? If theirs are adjusted and your DS has proof of his time stamped submission, then he can apply for an adjustment as well if the rest are adjusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your college student! Man. I'd make my high schooler handle this on their own.

I'm a high school teacher. Unfortunately, there are many parents like OP who would email me (cc'ing the principal) as a first strategy, never thinking of asking the student to approach first. This is the kind of parent who believes they must take care of all problems for their child. My university professor friend reports that she has some parents contact her every year now.

I don't know how this kind of child will function after college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Unless he is in danger of failing a core course, I’d tell him to do it earlier next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I struggle to understand how this ONE class will impact grad/professional programs.

Is it a math class he needs for an Econ PhD application?

Otherwise, no one class will make a difference.

If student cannot submit his work in a timely manner he really should not be going to grad/professional programs. I'm not sure why the parent is even involved.
This is on the student.