DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

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I'm sure the intention of setting the deadline was before midnight. Never a good idea to wait until the last hour before an assignment is due in case of system problems etc but IMO the professor being a little ridiculous about a technicality.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks, OP, for this thread! I explained the topic to my senior DD, who’s taking a summer course. She said she was unaware that 11:59 PM meant 11:59:00 and not the seconds until 11:59:59. She’s occasionally turned things in, quite literally, last minute. It’s not my approach, but she struggles with classes and sometimes has pushed the time envelope.

She has an assignment due today at 12:30 PM and now she knows to submit it by 12:29.

My DD is the same way. She told me that she has submitted work at 11:59 in HS, but has somehow never actually had work marked late. I've explained to her that submitting at the last minute is never a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, sweetie. Your precious would not last one day at West Point or the Naval Academy.

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Day.

DP. So what?

I bet some USMA and USNA students would struggle at Reed and Oberlin too. Which is not a knock on the academies.

I doubt it. Everyone else looks like lazy slackers.

There was already a recent thread about the lower academic standards at the West Point and the US Naval academy than at top their schools. Maybe move over to that thread to explain why lower performing students make everyone else look like lazy slackers. OP's kid isn't in a military academy.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

Why so much contempt for

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

Why so much contempt for adjuncts/Professors?
Please remember that the instructor might have dozens of students and tons of grading. He or she is simply enforcing a stated policy. The student should of course ask for leniency but I don’t think it is fair to be so contemptuous of the Professor for not accepting a late assignment

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

Why so much contempt for

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

Why so much contempt for adjuncts/Professors?
Please remember that the instructor might have dozens of students and tons of grading. He or she is simply enforcing a stated policy. The student should of course ask for leniency but I don’t think it is fair to be so contemptuous of the Professor for not accepting a late assignment

Didn’t mean to denigrate adjuncts who have it tough already.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

Why so much contempt for

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

Why so much contempt for adjuncts/Professors?
Please remember that the instructor might have dozens of students and tons of grading. He or she is simply enforcing a stated policy. The student should of course ask for leniency but I don’t think it is fair to be so contemptuous of the Professor for not accepting a late assignment

I'm not the last poster you quoted. The question is whether the assignment was late if it was due by 11:59.

Of course, professors, like most other people, have many job responsibilities. I have several friends who are professors and understand how hard they work. Replies from professors in this thread claiming that they can't be held accountable have frustrated me to an extent, but these posters clearly don't represent all professors.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't you let him decide?

It is fine for her son to aka for advice. She is not saying she is going to handle it. I still ask my parents for advice - don’t always do it, big ask.

Also, just like to add I had professors like this. It was SUCH a big deal to turn things in on time and they lectured us about deadlines in the real world. Ha ha ha ha. No one sticks to deadlines in any of the places I’ve worked!

Professor should lighten up.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

Why so much contempt for

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

Why so much contempt for adjuncts/Professors?
Please remember that the instructor might have dozens of students and tons of grading. He or she is simply enforcing a stated policy. The student should of course ask for leniency but I don’t think it is fair to be so contemptuous of the Professor for not accepting a late assignment

Why the contempt? Those who try to intervene on behalf of their DC and fail tend to become bitter.

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Anonymous wrote:The deadline was 11:59pm. DS submitted it at 11:59 and the website marked it as late because it was set to put anything later than 11:59:00 as late.

DS emailed professor, and he said that because the website marked it as late, it was late.

DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute and told me that he has learned from this experience. He wasn't able to work on the assignment for several days as he was experiencing symptoms of a chronic illness and did not ask for more time to finish the assignment.

Other students in the course experienced the same thing and are going to higher-ups in the professor's department.

Usually I would let him figure this out on his own. As the assignment being graded as late may significantly affect his final grade (which is important for admission to grad/professional schools), should he also go to higher-ups in the professor's department? Or should he just accept what happened?

Learning curve for DS to submit his assisgnments on a more timely manner. You need to stay out of this. If he cannot submit his assignments he should probably not be thinking of grad/professional schools.

Why so much contempt for

DP. The last sentence is ridiculous. Because someone turns an assignment in late they shouldn't be thinking of grad school?

I have no idea if this is a pattern or not for the student about whom this thread is written...but yes, in general, my experience is that a student who waits until the literal last minute to submit assignments, or regularly submits assignments late, are not often top candidates for graduate school.

OP said nothing about this being a persistent issue. There are many students who turn in assignments at the last minute who do just fine in grad school. Are you suggesting only "top candidates" should consider grad school?

Some professors even disregard deadlines, according to an article that I read: https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2012/08/01/essay-academics-and-importance-deadlines

"I have never worked in any community where deadlines are as routinely disregarded as they appear to be in the academy."

Officer Friendly almost never gives out a tcket for 65.1 mph. They have more common sense than these adjuncts with aspirations of being a tenured God.

Why so much contempt for adjuncts/Professors?
Please remember that the instructor might have dozens of students and tons of grading. He or she is simply enforcing a stated policy. The student should of course ask for leniency but I don’t think it is fair to be so contemptuous of the Professor for not accepting a late assignment

Why the contempt? Those who try to intervene on behalf of their DC and fail tend to become bitter.

There are people who have negative views of professors for all kinds of reasons.

[Anonymous]

OP. Updating because of the discussion about this: DS's professor announced that students who submitted at 11:59 won't be penalized for this assignment. He wrote that he will update the syllabus to reflect that future assignments are due by 11:59:00.

DS told me that he will definitely never submit this last minute again (this was his first and last time) and is glad that this won't affect his grade.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for updating OP. That is very reasonable of the professor. I think that your son learned a very valuable lesson about timeliness and being sure that you understand the deadline if you are waiting until the last minute. The professor did him a great big favor.

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Anonymous wrote:OP. Updating because of the discussion about this: DS's professor announced that students who submitted at 11:59 won't be penalized for this assignment. He wrote that he will update the syllabus to reflect that future assignments are due by 11:59:00.

DS told me that he will definitely never submit this last minute again (this was his first and last time) and is glad that this won't affect his grade.

Sounds reasonable. I am so glad your child learned about the importance of deadlines without suffering a poor grade
This btw is why the average syllabus has become so long and legalistic!