DS's professor saying assignment submitted at 11:59pm is late

[Anonymous]

What professor has an assignment due on June 20?

Troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not encourage your son to go to the department head. I guarantee you, this is not a good interaction that reflects well on the student, especially if this is the first time complaining to a department head or if there is a more significant issue to deal with in the future (this would paint the student as petty and not put them in a favorable position). While we don't make fun of these things necessarily in faculty meetings, we do complain about the ridiculousness of student requests like this very often. It's not a good look.

The way this stuff works is the the assignment displays for students as:
Due Jun 20 at 11:59pm

The instructor interface says
Due at 11:59:00pm

The computer marks as late, not the professor. It's a machine-graded hard line for a reason.

Lesson learned. Suck it up.

This is what happens when academic professors who think they have God-like power over powerless students.

Well, the computer is God in this situation. Meaning the professor is implementing a system to remove the possibility of any bias on their part.

I look forward to potentially having your son or daughter in my class next Fall. Please kindly remember, there are no parent teacher conferences in college, so, take a seat and let them navigate how to be a adult.

In my line of work, we use 2 different computer systems. They usually time stamp 1-2 mins apart. So the burden is on the prof to prove his computer has the God’s eye view.

[Anonymous]

To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

[Anonymous]

High school assignments that are allowed to be submitted until the last second of the quarter do students no favors as they approach college. Do your son a favor and tell him about a time you changed jobs and the systems changed. This is a lesson that won't harm him significantly, and will benefit him in the end to see as a new lesson learned rather than a triumph over a meany prof which my mom also agrees about.

[Anonymous]

Am I the only one that wants this sort of structure for my kid? These are lessons he needs to learn before he’ll ever be ready to hold any sort of meaningful job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

I write penalties for violation of law. There are situations where something was legal on the 10th day, but not on the 11th day. I start penalizing - not on the 11th day - but on the 12th day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What professor has an assignment due on June 20?

Troll.

Me. I teach a summer class and I extended a deadline to give students some additional time because some work full time. Is this that implausible? Think outside the box! Not all college students are undergrads who finish up in April and don't take class until August again!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

Yes the prof should have accepted it. But he might not believe your son. If I were your son I’d write the tech dept that programs the deadline and ask them if it should have been programmed 11:59:59. Ignore the jerks who say you are helicoptering.

Anyone on A DCUM education forum is helicoptering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Prof Hardass would need to prove his 11:59 time stamp is actually the “correct“ time.

Of course. But the beauty of a leaning management system is that it does it for you automatically.

We are questioning the accuracy of Prof Hardass’ computer time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one that wants this sort of structure for my kid? These are lessons he needs to learn before he’ll ever be ready to hold any sort of meaningful job.

No. But this was a misunderstanding/computer glitch. Anyone who says 11:59 means before midnight. OP’s kid complied. But got burned anyway. The lesson for such a situation is that in cases like this, you advocate for yourself, politely and forthrightly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a professor and would have given your child a break due to the circumstances. That said, I would warn your child that appealing to higher-ups based on what you described will probably go nowhere. Most chairs/admins defer to faculty on grading/lateness policies. The only exception is if the instructor is an adjunct or TA/grad student.

I believe you and appreciate your individual attitude but I also how that general attitude by higher education to not respect the customer is going to get crushed by the coming downturn. Numbers of students were already dropping because of the next generation is smaller and covid will only accelerate the financial pressure on colleges and universities.

Look the kid waited till 11:59 to submit. It’s his fault. I imagine the vast majority of the class was able to get the assignment submitted on time or a few days early. Changing the rules now is unfair to the students who followed the rules. If the kid had a problem you contact the professor before the dateline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a chronic illness that requires me to spend 50% of my existence in the bathroom. I understand chronic illnesses can be rough. But let me tell you now, it never made a difference between me submitting something at 11:59 and 11:59:01.

If his illness was the reason for the delay, it still shouldn’t have come down to a game of minutes.
Professors don’t budge on stuff. It’s how they turn teenagers into adults. It’s unfortunate, but he will recover from this grade dip.

Thank you for this.

As I said, DS takes full responsibility for submitting last minute as he failed to ask for more time. He doesn't blame his illness for the delay.

The only reason why he is considering appealing the professor's decision is that if the deadline is 11:59pm, should something that is submitted at 11:59 be late?

Yes the prof should have accepted it. But he might not believe your son. If I were your son I’d write the tech dept that programs the deadline and ask them if it should have been programmed 11:59:59. Ignore the jerks who say you are helicoptering.

Anyone on A DCUM education forum is helicoptering.

Write the tech department that programs the deadline....a student...ha! It's not IT that sets this, it's the LMS. The help desk would be so confused and submit a ticket to the chair most likely, oh man -- bad bad advice!

You people are just a few years and one click away from sending a big box of cupcakes to your kid's first job to share with the office, aren't you. Jesus, take the wheel!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To all the "have a heart" poster: Ok, let's say Professor Hardass tells your son that he isn't late because he turned it in at 11:59:50. I guess that's ok. But what about Braden who turned it in at 12:00:00? I guess that's ok too. And oh! Kaylee turned it in at 12:00:02 but she started to submit at 11:50 and her internet was slow because her little brother was gaming so please is it ok? Also, Kayleigh's grandmother was sick (not the grandmother that was sick in April, or the one in May, the third grandmother) so that's why she turned it in at 2am thanksssssss for understanding and also is there any extra extra credit because she didn't get a chance to do the first extra credit.

Do you see how this goes? Hard lines (with exceptions made for DOCUMENTED accommodations and emergencies) are more fair to more students, and take the biases and weirdness out of jurying constant student exception requests, which I assure you, are free flowing and often very creative. I can also assure you that the last majority of us are being pretty liberal this semester with grades, and that I am almost certain if your son doesn't like his grade he can take a P instead of the letter.

Do you see how petulant it is to make these impactful conditions based on technicalities that are insignificant to the educational process?

The only reason to do it is for stigginit to the student. If that’s what floats your boat, then have at it. Yes, it will teach the kid a good lesson: how to deal with an absolute asshole of a boss.