Integrated Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Schools do not need to be intergrated with UMC white kids to be "better" but it certainly helps a school to get an adequate share of resources and effective teachers when there is a critical mass of UMC white kids at a school. Brown v. Board of Education was not just about the social impact of de jure segregation it was a recognition that that integration was the only way black children would have access to the same resources as white children.

I sense that you might be writing from your desk in another state. Am I right? The bolded — generally, that white kids get more re$ource$ than black kids in a school system — is exactly what I learned in college and law school in the Midwest. I also liked to quote Brown when younger.

In the District, which is the only location we're talking about on this thread, the majority black schools get a lion's share of the resources from DCPS compared to the handful of schools with a majority white, UMC population. Per pupil spending isn't even close between the two categories. And that's always been the case, or at least, since the time where majority-white/UMC schools existed in D.C. and Title I came to be.

Again, I'm not speaking to St. Paul or Omaha. Just the District of Columbia.

Wow, aren’t you a smarty pants? And old too. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. Not a whiff of arrogance about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Schools do not need to be intergrated with UMC white kids to be "better" but it certainly helps a school to get an adequate share of resources and effective teachers when there is a critical mass of UMC white kids at a school. Brown v. Board of Education was not just about the social impact of de jure segregation it was a recognition that that integration was the only way black children would have access to the same resources as white children.

I sense that you might be writing from your desk in another state. Am I right? The bolded — generally, that white kids get more re$ource$ than black kids in a school system — is exactly what I learned in college and law school in the Midwest. I also liked to quote Brown when younger.

In the District, which is the only location we're talking about on this thread, the majority black schools get a lion's share of the resources from DCPS compared to the handful of schools with a majority white, UMC population. Per pupil spending isn't even close between the two categories. And that's always been the case, or at least, since the time where majority-white/UMC schools existed in D.C. and Title I came to be.

Again, I'm not speaking to St. Paul or Omaha. Just the District of Columbia.

Wow, aren’t you a smarty pants? And old too. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. Not a whiff of arrogance about it.

Sure, next time I'll just say "You are wrong." or maybe, 'your wrong' so I look young and less smart

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Schools do not need to be intergrated with UMC white kids to be "better" but it certainly helps a school to get an adequate share of resources and effective teachers when there is a critical mass of UMC white kids at a school. Brown v. Board of Education was not just about the social impact of de jure segregation it was a recognition that that integration was the only way black children would have access to the same resources as white children.

I sense that you might be writing from your desk in another state. Am I right? The bolded — generally, that white kids get more re$ource$ than black kids in a school system — is exactly what I learned in college and law school in the Midwest. I also liked to quote Brown when younger.

In the District, which is the only location we're talking about on this thread, the majority black schools get a lion's share of the resources from DCPS compared to the handful of schools with a majority white, UMC population. Per pupil spending isn't even close between the two categories. And that's always been the case, or at least, since the time where majority-white/UMC schools existed in D.C. and Title I came to be.

Again, I'm not speaking to St. Paul or Omaha. Just the District of Columbia.

Wow, aren’t you a smarty pants? And old too. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. Not a whiff of arrogance about it.

So name-calling in place of a substantive argument is for the young?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

Problems also arise when IB students want to attend their neighborhood school, but find that the school is controlled by the interests of OOB students.

[Anonymous]

This entire thread is why I have little hope for true equity in DCPS or Charters.

Do you realize that many UMC blacks and latinos ALSO choose privates? and pay for them? Some of the privates are elites, some of the privates are not ( think Carroll, St. John's, Bishop McNamara).

The systemic elephant in the room is that many low income residents in our city are of specific races...and are priced out of living in most wards of the city.

True NIMBYism at its highest.

Its not race integration that the city should be aiming for, its socioeconomic integration.

... and no one wants to talk about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is why I have little hope for true equity in DCPS or Charters.

Do you realize that many UMC blacks and latinos ALSO choose privates? and pay for them? Some of the privates are elites, some of the privates are not ( think Carroll, St. John's, Bishop McNamara).

The systemic elephant in the room is that many low income residents in our city are of specific races...and are priced out of living in most wards of the city.

True NIMBYism at its highest.

Its not race integration that the city should be aiming for, its socioeconomic integration.

... and no one wants to talk about that.

Do you think this can be achieved using the school system?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

Those are odd studies then. All the diversity studies I've read are race neutral and define it along the statistical probablity of encountering someone of a different race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

Those are odd studies then. All the diversity studies I've read are race neutral and define it along the statistical probablity of encountering someone of a different race.

Yes, PP is obviously mistaken. Under her definition, a 100% white school would be integrated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

Uh ... yeah it would. There are way more kids in this neighborhood than seats. If *all* of the parents sent them, which is the silly hypothetical of this thread, the school would look like the neighborhood here and in Ward 3.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

Uh ... yeah it would. There are way more kids in this neighborhood than seats. If *all* of the parents sent them, which is the silly hypothetical of this thread, the school would look like the neighborhood here and in Ward 3.

What neighborhood?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It has come a long way. Fewer schools are >80% minority than 10 years ago. It is a slow process, but I think DC is doing a lot of things right to make it happen.

This is absolutely true. When I was considering buying in the district 15 years ago, the schools were much less integrated. Things are moving in the right direction. Are they perfect? No, but progress is being made largely because parents are committed to integration and to sending their kids to integrated public schools.