Integrated Schools

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

Uh ... yeah it would. There are way more kids in this neighborhood than seats. If *all* of the parents sent them, which is the silly hypothetical of this thread, the school would look like the neighborhood here and in Ward 3.

What neighborhood?

NP. But if all of the inbound d kids in the Janney or Lafayette areas sent their kids to Dcps it would be near 110% white.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

It may well be 100% rich but I doubt you've redlined out all of the wealthy immigrants.

Uh ... yeah it would. There are way more kids in this neighborhood than seats. If *all* of the parents sent them, which is the silly hypothetical of this thread, the school would look like the neighborhood here and in Ward 3.

What neighborhood?

NP. But if all of the inbound d kids in the Janney or Lafayette areas sent their kids to Dcps it would be near 110% white.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

Please provide evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners".

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

Please provide evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners".

Um, honors for all at Wilson. AP classes with no barriers to entry throughout DCPS. This is not the story in the suburban school districts around us, where standards are higher, sometimes much higher.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

Both can be true.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

Both can be true.

PP again. Also, white people avoid their IB for somewhat different reasons than black folks choose private.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

Both can be true.

PP again. Also, white people avoid their IB for somewhat different reasons than black folks choose private.

But for very narrow exceptions, especially for folks who choose to live in D.C., this is not true. Parents opt out of DCPS because they want overall better quality of service.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

Please provide evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners".

Um, honors for all at Wilson. AP classes with no barriers to entry throughout DCPS. This is not the story in the suburban school districts around us, where standards are higher, sometimes much higher.

Are you saying that honors for all at Wilson is evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners"? Is that what you meant by "haven't been shown to help"?

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As long as these three things exist:
1) Ability to move
2) Ability to send kids to private schools
3) Charter school options

Schools will not integrate. It isn't rocket science. Tybout sorting is real.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

Please provide evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners".

Ask the parents. Honors for all has to be taught at the lowest level of the worst performing students. So sure, the advanced kids may get an A but its barely even taught on grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?

Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

A school that's > 80% of any one race is segregated, especially if it's not in a city that has the same demographic.

But you can also have schools where the student body has lots of races, but the white kids don't play with kids of color after school, or invite them to their houses, and white parents advocate for policies that provide segregation in the classroom even when those policies haven't been shown to help "advanced learners", but just to hurt integration.

Please provide evidence that honors classes in high school don't help "advanced learners".

Ask the parents. Honors for all has to be taught at the lowest level of the worst performing students. So sure, the advanced kids may get an A but its barely even taught on grade level.

That ins't true. It doesn't have to be taught at the lowest level and IME it isn't. It isn't at Deal either.

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Anonymous wrote: but were ok with DCPS firing a Wilson Principal for being gay\

that's not what happened