Integrated Schools

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

I guarantee you that they have different considerations than white families that do the same. You are extremely and willfully obtuse if you equate these two things.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

I guarantee you that they have different considerations than white families that do the same. You are extremely and willfully obtuse if you equate these two things.

One is good and one is bad. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider integrated? What about latinos? Is there some percentage that would mean “integrated”—my kid attends her IB title 1 school. We are white and the school is only 7% white. However there are a lot of I white families who can’t get into PK because there is a preference for spa ish dominant lids. Should the school be forced to drop the preference to allow even more non Spanish speaking kids into the school? It’s 70% Latino and bilingual. OP I know you have good intentions but first people need to agree to what this means.

All kids will be able to attend their neighborhood school from K and beyond, no matter their race.

Every kid can attend their neighborhood school from K on. They choose not too. Until DCPS gets serious about providing educational opportunities to serve kids at all levels, parents will seek them out elsewhere. DCPS has shown they do not want any tracking of a classes and thats an issue for a lot of parents.

EXXACTLY that is what a neighborhood school is, they just don't want to!

If all of the in-boundary parents sent their kids to the neighborhood school where I live, it wouldn’t be integrated, it would be close to 100% white.

No it wouldn't. Even the whitest neighborhoods in the city haven't produced schools that are close to 100% white.

Uh ... yeah it would. There are way more kids in this neighborhood than seats. If *all* of the parents sent them, which is the silly hypothetical of this thread, the school would look like the neighborhood here and in Ward 3.

What neighborhood?

NP. But if all of the inbound d kids in the Janney or Lafayette areas sent their kids to Dcps it would be near 110% white.

As a non-white inbounds family that statement offends me. Those schools are not as monolithic or as segregated as you make out.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

I guarantee you that they have different considerations than white families that do the same. You are extremely and willfully obtuse if you equate these two things.

One is good and one is bad. Got it.

Wow, you really are a racist. Double down! I'm not taking your bait. And nobody believes your justifications.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

I guarantee you that they have different considerations than white families that do the same. You are extremely and willfully obtuse if you equate these two things.

One is good and one is bad. Got it.

Wow, you really are a racist. Double down! I'm not taking your bait. And nobody believes your justifications.

No. We are an international family (not white) that send our kids to a charter. The first thing our Black neighbours told us when we moved in was that no kids on the block go to the local school and we should try to do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.

Absolutely!

In my Ward 4 neighborhood more Black parents send their kids to private school than white parents. And in Ward 7-8 huge numbers of Black parents choose charters over their IB DCPS. It isn’t as simple as you suggest.

This. Upper middle class black families are more likely to flee their neighborhood school for charters or private.

I guarantee you that they have different considerations than white families that do the same. You are extremely and willfully obtuse if you equate these two things.

One is good and one is bad. Got it.

Wow, you really are a racist. Double down! I'm not taking your bait. And nobody believes your justifications.

No. We are an international family (not white) that send our kids to a charter. The first thing our Black neighbours told us when we moved in was that no kids on the block go to the local school and we should try to do the same.

Both can be true.

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Anonymous wrote:As a longtime educator in DC, I think widespread integrated schools won't happen without major government action, and that might not work either. Because of the housing segregation in the city, most neighborhoods won't have schools that are that diverse, at least above the Preschool/PreK level. The few schools that are fairly diverse will be:

-Some charter schools (not the no-excuses kind) that draw from various demographic groups.
-A few schools in gentrifying neighborhoods, or in neighborhoods that are already gentrified but the school hasn't yet. Some may stay pretty diverse (Bancroft), while others may switch to being not diverse in the opposite direction by becoming largely White. Look at the demographics of Brent or Ross from 15 years ago compared to today.
-Deal, Hardy, and Wilson, which have diverse schools as feeders.

Some families of color and white families value diversity, which draws them to the types of schools listed above. Others don't make that a priority. Those that don't make diversity a major factor are usually then fine with high-achieving schools like KIPP (if they are Black), or going to WOTP schools /moving to the suburbs.

Stuart-Hobson should stay/become more diverse too. L-T and Watkins are both truly diverse and will remain that way for some time (Watkins likely forever) and, even as/if they trend whiter, JO Wilson will ensure S-H remains diverse. Likewise, Jefferson is positioned to become more diverse if/when more Brent and Van Ness kids opt in and Amidon-Bowen becomes more diverse. Really, it’s the elementary schools with smaller catchment zones that are the issue... and then convincing UMC parents to opt into middles.

SWW is also quite diverse and will remain that way by design.

It has to be tied to economic diversity within the housing stock of a catchment zone,which can be improved with zoning that allows for diverse housing stock (apartments and houses). But there is also this problem of housing values that are inflated just because the schools are better...

You must not talk to Capitol Hill realtors. Local housing values are not inflated because schools are better. Most CH buyers don't give a hoot about the state of local public schools. Not even a quarter care.

They may not care personally, but sellers and buyers sure do. I have been house hunting for three weeks now, and the difference between similar houses zoned for Maury vs Miner is easily 200K.

It varies a bit depending on where in the zone, but I definitely agree there's a bump. I think it makes a bigger difference where the houses are cheaper. So right on the corner of the Miner zone, say 13th & E, the housing prices are only about $50K off the prices on 13th & D (although the Maury houses are more likely to have been improved, because the can sell improved, so there's still an effect there), but at 18th & D v 18th & E the difference is $150K-$200K, but the houses are also 200-300K cheaper. The Brent/Watkins line on 8th St. is about $100K if you just compare opposite sides of the same street.

Same difference for blocks apart for Takoma Park vs. Takoma DC.

??? Houses in Takoma, DC are MORE expansive, despite poor schools.

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DC schools are a lot more integrated than most. The problem is that when white people start attending local schools that have are almost all black or Latino, the everyone starts crying about white people gentrifying. You can’t win no matter what.

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Just finished “Nice White Parents” podcast and the central thesis is that white patents only function well in integrated schools where they have zero power to influence decision making (no excuses academies). When unleashed in other public schools b/c of white fragility they fail to sufficiently acknowledge the inherent white mediocrity of their offspring and their part in suppressing AA excellence (and assumed superiority) by asking for G&T, immersion instruction, etc. Of course, if white parents go private -white fragility. If they stay and complain-white fragility. If they form charter schools -white fragility. The only acceptable response is to call for all white teachers, staff, and principals to be fired in favor of AA teachers and staff, for white parents to hand over the deeds to their homes, and quit their jobs while ensuring that their jobs are given to AAs. Anything short of this modest proposal = white fragility.

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Don't forget that some neighbourhoods have magic dirt that make their schools successful and some have tragic dirt that (despite better real estate locations) make their schools fail.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished “Nice White Parents” podcast and the central thesis is that white patents only function well in integrated schools where they have zero power to influence decision making (no excuses academies). When unleashed in other public schools b/c of white fragility they fail to sufficiently acknowledge the inherent white mediocrity of their offspring and their part in suppressing AA excellence (and assumed superiority) by asking for G&T, immersion instruction, etc. Of course, if white parents go private -white fragility. If they stay and complain-white fragility. If they form charter schools -white fragility. The only acceptable response is to call for all white teachers, staff, and principals to be fired in favor of AA teachers and staff, for white parents to hand over the deeds to their homes, and quit their jobs while ensuring that their jobs are given to AAs. Anything short of this modest proposal = white fragility.

Jesus that is crazy stupid stuff that is not believable. I have not listened to it to comment though. I’m not white either, am a minority group where of course prejudices and racism also exist.

I will tell you one thing though and that is the minorities who make it to the middle and upper class don’t play the victim or race card. They work hard and understand that education is the likely way out of their low socioeconomic class. I know growing up poor on free lunches.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished “Nice White Parents” podcast and the central thesis is that white patents only function well in integrated schools where they have zero power to influence decision making (no excuses academies). When unleashed in other public schools b/c of white fragility they fail to sufficiently acknowledge the inherent white mediocrity of their offspring and their part in suppressing AA excellence (and assumed superiority) by asking for G&T, immersion instruction, etc. Of course, if white parents go private -white fragility. If they stay and complain-white fragility. If they form charter schools -white fragility. The only acceptable response is to call for all white teachers, staff, and principals to be fired in favor of AA teachers and staff, for white parents to hand over the deeds to their homes, and quit their jobs while ensuring that their jobs are given to AAs. Anything short of this modest proposal = white fragility.

Jesus that is crazy stupid stuff that is not believable. I have not listened to it to comment though. I’m not white either, am a minority group where of course prejudices and racism also exist.

I will tell you one thing though and that is the minorities who make it to the middle and upper class don’t play the victim or race card. They work hard and understand that education is the likely way out of their low socioeconomic class. I know growing up poor on free lunches.

That summary of Nice White Parents is clearly from someone too obtuse to understand the points being made. I don't understand why they'd even listen to 5 hours of a podcast if they're going to be close-minded about it. Maybe hate-listening? Or just pretending to have listened?

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished “Nice White Parents” podcast and the central thesis is that white patents only function well in integrated schools where they have zero power to influence decision making (no excuses academies). When unleashed in other public schools b/c of white fragility they fail to sufficiently acknowledge the inherent white mediocrity of their offspring and their part in suppressing AA excellence (and assumed superiority) by asking for G&T, immersion instruction, etc. Of course, if white parents go private -white fragility. If they stay and complain-white fragility. If they form charter schools -white fragility. The only acceptable response is to call for all white teachers, staff, and principals to be fired in favor of AA teachers and staff, for white parents to hand over the deeds to their homes, and quit their jobs while ensuring that their jobs are given to AAs. Anything short of this modest proposal = white fragility.

Jesus that is crazy stupid stuff that is not believable. I have not listened to it to comment though. I’m not white either, am a minority group where of course prejudices and racism also exist.

I will tell you one thing though and that is the minorities who make it to the middle and upper class don’t play the victim or race card. They work hard and understand that education is the likely way out of their low socioeconomic class. I know growing up poor on free lunches.

That summary of Nice White Parents is clearly from someone too obtuse to understand the points being made. I don't understand why they'd even listen to 5 hours of a podcast if they're going to be close-minded about it. Maybe hate-listening? Or just pretending to have listened?

It sounds like reading is hard for you. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished “Nice White Parents” podcast and the central thesis is that white patents only function well in integrated schools where they have zero power to influence decision making (no excuses academies). When unleashed in other public schools b/c of white fragility they fail to sufficiently acknowledge the inherent white mediocrity of their offspring and their part in suppressing AA excellence (and assumed superiority) by asking for G&T, immersion instruction, etc. Of course, if white parents go private -white fragility. If they stay and complain-white fragility. If they form charter schools -white fragility. The only acceptable response is to call for all white teachers, staff, and principals to be fired in favor of AA teachers and staff, for white parents to hand over the deeds to their homes, and quit their jobs while ensuring that their jobs are given to AAs. Anything short of this modest proposal = white fragility.

Jesus that is crazy stupid stuff that is not believable. I have not listened to it to comment though. I’m not white either, am a minority group where of course prejudices and racism also exist.

I will tell you one thing though and that is the minorities who make it to the middle and upper class don’t play the victim or race card. They work hard and understand that education is the likely way out of their low socioeconomic class. I know growing up poor on free lunches.

That summary of Nice White Parents is clearly from someone too obtuse to understand the points being made. I don't understand why they'd even listen to 5 hours of a podcast if they're going to be close-minded about it. Maybe hate-listening? Or just pretending to have listened?

It sounds like reading is hard for you. Yikes.

? I agree w/ PP. Are you saying the above is an accurate summary of the podcast?

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Lol at the Ben Shapiro summary of racial justice. Truly a joke.