Virginia Tech offering incoming freshman $1000 not to come

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Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm back. Here's the GMU recommended high school load. You can see it clearly states four years of math and indicates through calculus. That was the first question asked of DS when on tour for Game Design there: "Have you had calculus". The science, math, engineering and game design programs don't want to spend time reteaching students the fundamentals so they try to be clear about expectations. I think you'll find most elite colleges want to see "the most rigorous" courses taken in high school. https://catalog.gmu.edu/archives/2017-2018/admissions/undergraduate-policies/undergraduate-policies.pdf


Thanks so much for sharing your experience. My question is whether DS should push to get calculus done by Junior year (as another PP said that VT admissions told them they want to see it by junior year for engineering majors). DS will take calculus by senior year if he stays on his current track. But, he could jump forward by taking geometry in the summer and then be ready for calculus as a Junior. The question is how important is it for com sci majors.



If possible, try to get the calculus done with an A by end of junior year. That way the fact that he finished it and with an A will allow your son to apply EA, ED, SCEA to top schools early. He'll have the summer to prepare his essays and applications. Also consider doing it as a summer non-degree student at a community college or George Mason. One of our children did a summer course between junior and senior year to prove he could handle college science courses and to help prep for the Chem II subject matter test. If a college sees that your son has taken a college course and succeeded then they will feel confident that he can handle college life.

For comp. sci., most departments will want to see calculus completed with an A. If your child is planning on applying RD then the course will be done with a grade at the time of application but the entire game of college applications is moving to fall of senior year (UVA just added ED with applications due on Oct. 15th of senior year). Having now been through the college admissions cycle three times, I agree with the posters who say the real game of admissions is played out in SCEA, ED, EA. For my students, they generally got into their EA, ED, SCEA school choices but not in their RD schools. By the time your son is in the game, I think you'll see that you want him prepared to send in applications immediately beginning in fall. Also, some schools have rolling admissions. It's nice to get one acceptance very early on just to give your child a sense of peace that they have at least one school in hand.

That being said, and having been told by the heads of the computer science schools, game design programs and engineering that they really want to see it completed, your best bet for success at top programs is to get that calculus done by the end of junior year. We were told that at VT for engineering (not applicable if not engineering, hard math, science or computer-related fields), GMU and UVA. I don't see the college admissions process getting easier. I see it getting only more competitive as more full-pay internationals are brought in to keep the schools afloat. Also, if you are looking in-state, that is going to only get more competitive as well. Post back if you have further questions.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?



Yes.


The international students are paying more and supporting Virginia students. From the last CDS 1703/5921 first-year students received need-based financial aid.

If you want VT to behave like an institution with a mission to serve primarily Virginia students, then tuition and/or tax dollars will need to be increased and go to higher education. The state is spending 30% less on higher education than it was in the 90s, adjusted for inflation.




This is a very good point, but it's not up to Virginia Tech. It's up to the Virginia State Assembly.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm back. Here's the GMU recommended high school load. You can see it clearly states four years of math and indicates through calculus. That was the first question asked of DS when on tour for Game Design there: "Have you had calculus". The science, math, engineering and game design programs don't want to spend time reteaching students the fundamentals so they try to be clear about expectations. I think you'll find most elite colleges want to see "the most rigorous" courses taken in high school. https://catalog.gmu.edu/archives/2017-2018/admissions/undergraduate-policies/undergraduate-policies.pdf


Thanks so much for sharing your experience. My question is whether DS should push to get calculus done by Junior year (as another PP said that VT admissions told them they want to see it by junior year for engineering majors). DS will take calculus by senior year if he stays on his current track. But, he could jump forward by taking geometry in the summer and then be ready for calculus as a Junior. The question is how important is it for com sci majors.



If possible, try to get the calculus done with an A by end of junior year. That way the fact that he finished it and with an A will allow your son to apply EA, ED, SCEA to top schools early. He'll have the summer to prepare his essays and applications. Also consider doing it as a summer non-degree student at a community college or George Mason. One of our children did a summer course between junior and senior year to prove he could handle college science courses and to help prep for the Chem II subject matter test. If a college sees that your son has taken a college course and succeeded then they will feel confident that he can handle college life.

For comp. sci., most departments will want to see calculus completed with an A. If your child is planning on applying RD then the course will be done with a grade at the time of application but the entire game of college applications is moving to fall of senior year (UVA just added ED with applications due on Oct. 15th of senior year). Having now been through the college admissions cycle three times, I agree with the posters who say the real game of admissions is played out in SCEA, ED, EA. For my students, they generally got into their EA, ED, SCEA school choices but not in their RD schools. By the time your son is in the game, I think you'll see that you want him prepared to send in applications immediately beginning in fall. Also, some schools have rolling admissions. It's nice to get one acceptance very early on just to give your child a sense of peace that they have at least one school in hand.

That being said, and having been told by the heads of the computer science schools, game design programs and engineering that they really want to see it completed, your best bet for success at top programs is to get that calculus done by the end of junior year. We were told that at VT for engineering (not applicable if not engineering, hard math, science or computer-related fields), GMU and UVA. I don't see the college admissions process getting easier. I see it getting only more competitive as more full-pay internationals are brought in to keep the schools afloat. Also, if you are looking in-state, that is going to only get more competitive as well. Post back if you have further questions.


well, hot dang! GMU too??? I thought they would be a little more relaxed.

thank you so much for sharing your experience again!

I wonder if the high yield at VT is connected to the Amazon decision and the future plans for the VT computing campus in Arlington/Alexandria. I could see more kids accepting VT this year b/c they think they will have better access to Amazon jobs in 4 years.
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What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.



Yes, the Alexandria campus is (right now) supposed to be graduate studies. I hadn't thought about the surge of interest being related to Amazon, particularly because of the distance to Alexandria but I suppose it's possible. I thought it was due to parents having sticker shock and realizing what a great deal the in-state Va schools are.
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Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.



Yes, the Alexandria campus is (right now) supposed to be graduate studies. I hadn't thought about the surge of interest being related to Amazon, particularly because of the distance to Alexandria but I suppose it's possible. I thought it was due to parents having sticker shock and realizing what a great deal the in-state Va schools are.


As a parent of a graduating senior in northern va, it seems that the issue is simply that kids didn’t get into where they expected to. Kids that expected a top 20 had to settle for UVA, kids that wanted UVA had to settle for VT, and even some kids who wanted VT had to settle for JMU. Most of the kids we know that wanted WM got in. In addition, even in the last weeks of April, we knew some who let out of state hope go and chose VT specifically; some for rejection reasons and others when the merit and financial aid didn’t come through.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.



Yes, the Alexandria campus is (right now) supposed to be graduate studies. I hadn't thought about the surge of interest being related to Amazon, particularly because of the distance to Alexandria but I suppose it's possible. I thought it was due to parents having sticker shock and realizing what a great deal the in-state Va schools are.


As a parent of a graduating senior in northern va, it seems that the issue is simply that kids didn’t get into where they expected to. Kids that expected a top 20 had to settle for UVA, kids that wanted UVA had to settle for VT, and even some kids who wanted VT had to settle for JMU. Most of the kids we know that wanted WM got in. In addition, even in the last weeks of April, we knew some who let out of state hope go and chose VT specifically; some for rejection reasons and others when the merit and financial aid didn’t come through.


What a bummer to have to "settle" for schools like UVA, VT, and JMU.

Please don't say this out loud. There are students who are thrilled with schools that you probably deem inferior (GMU, VCU, CNU, etc) and they don't need to hear it. We have some pretty amazing options in Virginia.
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Anonymous wrote:Wow, great opportunity for some kids. Good for VT for coming up with a creative way of handling the situation.

+1


Sarcasm?
Anonymous
Great post PP. I wonder how much of the “disappointment” is the parent’s insecurity/living vicariously. All great schools that all provide mostly the same job/grad school opportunities.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.



Yes, the Alexandria campus is (right now) supposed to be graduate studies. I hadn't thought about the surge of interest being related to Amazon, particularly because of the distance to Alexandria but I suppose it's possible. I thought it was due to parents having sticker shock and realizing what a great deal the in-state Va schools are.


As a parent of a graduating senior in northern va, it seems that the issue is simply that kids didn’t get into where they expected to. Kids that expected a top 20 had to settle for UVA, kids that wanted UVA had to settle for VT, and even some kids who wanted VT had to settle for JMU. Most of the kids we know that wanted WM got in. In addition, even in the last weeks of April, we knew some who let out of state hope go and chose VT specifically; some for rejection reasons and others when the merit and financial aid didn’t come through.


What a bummer to have to "settle" for schools like UVA, VT, and JMU.

Please don't say this out loud. There are students who are thrilled with schools that you probably deem inferior (GMU, VCU, CNU, etc) and they don't need to hear it. We have some pretty amazing options in Virginia.


Every kids perception of settling for a school is different. If you don’t recognize this, you don’t have a junior or senior yet. No one is saying that the settled-for school isn’t a great school, it’s just not what they wanted and not where they felt their hard work would land them. You know when you try to book the Renaissance and it’s sold out, so you book the Hilton garden inn? It’s kinda like that. Great, but not intended. And you have to acknowledge the frustration these kids encounter when they work so hard to earn a 4.5 and a 1550 and end up at VT or JMU with kids who have a 3.2 and 1100, and realize they could have just taken regular level classes and mindless electives instead of 11 AP classes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.


The press releases and statements show them trying to spin this as excitement over Amazon, but I really don't think that's a factor.
Anonymous
The only kids at VT or JMU that had a 3.2 got in for some other compelling reason (ie athletics). No regular applicant is getting in with anything close to that. So, the other students worked hard and excelled at something (or overcame difficulties) that the “settling” student did not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The only kids at VT or JMU that had a 3.2 got in for some other compelling reason (ie athletics). No regular applicant is getting in with anything close to that. So, the other students worked hard and excelled at something (or overcame difficulties) that the “settling” student did not.


That’s what this board would have you believe, but that’s just not the case. Our tour guide at VT last summer actually told us in her why I chose VT speech that she didn’t get in anywhere else and was angry when she arrived but she fell in love with it.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What a mess. I keep thinking this is what wait lists are for. Perhaps this is related to Amazon, but that campus is supposed to be for graduates, right? Amazon is looking to hire from all Virginia schools with the encouragement that they step up the number of graduates in relevant fields like CS.


The press releases and statements show them trying to spin this as excitement over Amazon, but I really don't think that's a factor.


Yes! I find it infuriating they are trying to spin this with the Innovation Campus.
Don't get me wrong--I think the Innovation Campus is great, and I think it will be great for the DC area and the students that eventually attend it, but there's just no way that it is the reason for this screw up with enrollment.

From the article at the start of this thread...
Describing the students who were eligible for these various offers to entice them to stay away from Blacksburg:
"The incoming freshmen are in-state students who have declared the following majors:
General engineering.
Mechanical engineering.
Aerospace engineering.
Biomedical engineering.
Biology.
University studies, essentially an undeclared major.
Exploring technologies, a subset of university studies."

Notice what's not here? Computer science!

In press releases put out by Virginia Tech talking about the Innovation Campus
https://vt.edu/innovationcampus/News/2019/March/innovation-campus-drives-progress.html
They talk about the types of undergraduate majors and and graduate programs that connect with Innovation Campus. Not surprisingly, it's things like:
computer sciences
software engineering
data sciences
analytics and collective decisions
security and the internet of things
technology and policy
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology (ICAT)

If there really was some huge enthusiastic surge related to Innovation Campus, with lots more applicants deciding to apply and enroll, then that's where the bump should be. Not in those particular areas of engineering, and certainly not in biology or undeclared.
They @#%! up, and they need to own it.
Anonymous
PP who just posted expressing my disbelief that the enrollment screw up is due to Innovation Campus buzz and just add that because I've got a high school junior, we've received tons of mail from Virginia Tech this year, and we went on the campus visit day for junior earlier this spring.

Innovation Campus was only mentioned in passing--basically just with the other satellite campuses they offer around the state. In no way, shape or form was it a big part of their marketing for prospective freshman.
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