Virginia Tech offering incoming freshman $1000 not to come

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Anonymous wrote:Those are creative and appealing offers- saves a significant amount of a 4 year degree.

$1000/year is a significant savings? Tuition is $23,000.

The community college credit would save quite a bit of money.

so does just going to community college... they should offer special housing. The point is to make friends and connections.

They would attend community college for a year, get transfer credit for the classes AND they would get credit in the amount spent on the community college off of their sophomore year tuition at Tech.

That is a good deal.

For parents. Not for the kids who want the freshman experience

No, it's a good financial deal for the students who won't be burdened by excessive loans or will have money left over for grad school or another degree. The traditional "freshman experience" at Tech is no longer guaranteed. But a larger number of students will at least get a taste of what it means to be a Hokie.

However, most kids aren't applying to a 4 year school to decide to go to community college for a year, when all of their friends on IG are posting their move-in days. I am not saying the deal isn't good. I am saying parents will want this and the kids will not.

I 110% agree with you. A big part of the college experience is living in the dorms - I totally get that. I know that I would be disappointed if I had worked hard throughout HS, got accepted into a great in state school, chose that school to attend and then was told "Eh, we don't really want you here. Can you live with your parents and go to community college for awhile?"

Financially it is a good deal and it's only for a year. But, yeah, that would be a let down to me, too. I get it.

Dude, you can live in the dorms as a sophomore, too, who's stopping you? You'll still get your 'experience' you seem to be so hung up on, only a year later!

Retention rates for community college are pretty lousy all around. I'd worried that if my child hung around for the house for a year taking community college classes, he'd be more likely to fail out than if he was a traditional freshman. Too many distractions, not enough of an academic setting. Hanging around with your high school buddies, playing video games. Recipe for disaster.

If they are that scatterbrained they will not survive a year of Tech engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, for computer engineering, computer science, and game design, you need as much calculus, coding and computer math classes you can muster.

NP here. Follow-up question. What are "computer math" classes?

I'm the PP whose asked the question about needing calculus in JUNIOR year if you are interested in comp sci.

To answer your question about "computer math" classes, I assume that means computer classes that are part of the HS math department, not the technical education department. In FCPS, these are separate computer tracks. AP Comp Sci A and B and Comp Sci Principles are all part of the math department options. Then there are computer classes offered by technical education/academy classes that involve computer technician skills, CISCO, and network administrator classes. (seems like they would be useful too, but I'm not a computer geek, so I don't really know).

Yes, I'm the poster trying to answering the calculus question for computer programming and game design. Happy to answer questions. DS was interested in game design and was asked by GMU head of Game Design department if he had finished calculus (he had not) when we were on tour junior year. If you look at GMU's suggested high school recommended curriculum (I'll go try and find it) you'll see that admissions looks for calculus by end of at least fourth year, preferably earlier for entry to engineering, hard math, sciences, computer engineering, computer science and game design. DS entered with courses mentioned above like Comp Sci A and B but not calculus, as was suggested, but felt forever playing catch up with those in the major who were ahead of him in terms of math, calculus and coding.

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^^ I'm back. Here's the GMU recommended high school load. You can see it clearly states four years of math and indicates through calculus. That was the first question asked of DS when on tour for Game Design there: "Have you had calculus". The science, math, engineering and game design programs don't want to spend time reteaching students the fundamentals so they try to be clear about expectations. I think you'll find most elite colleges want to see "the most rigorous" courses taken in high school. https://catalog.gmu.edu/archives/2017-2018/admissions/undergraduate-policies/undergraduate-policies.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

The international students are paying more and supporting Virginia students. From the last CDS 1703/5921 first-year students received need-based financial aid.

If you want VT to behave like an institution with a mission to serve primarily Virginia students, then tuition and/or tax dollars will need to be increased and go to higher education. The state is spending 30% less on higher education than it was in the 90s, adjusted for inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

The international students are paying more and supporting Virginia students. From the last CDS 1703/5921 first-year students received need-based financial aid.

If you want VT to behave like an institution with a mission to serve primarily Virginia students, then tuition and/or tax dollars will need to be increased and go to higher education. The state is spending 30% less on higher education than it was in the 90s, adjusted for inflation.

VT could survive if they delayed international students for one year and accepted none the following year. The development office could do a short giving campaign to make up the difference from the one year lack of international tuition. It's not difficult to put your residents and citizens first. Really.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ I'm back. Here's the GMU recommended high school load. You can see it clearly states four years of math and indicates through calculus. That was the first question asked of DS when on tour for Game Design there: "Have you had calculus". The science, math, engineering and game design programs don't want to spend time reteaching students the fundamentals so they try to be clear about expectations. I think you'll find most elite colleges want to see "the most rigorous" courses taken in high school. https://catalog.gmu.edu/archives/2017-2018/admissions/undergraduate-policies/undergraduate-policies.pdf

Thanks so much for sharing your experience. My question is whether DS should push to get calculus done by Junior year (as another PP said that VT admissions told them they want to see it by junior year for engineering majors). DS will take calculus by senior year if he stays on his current track. But, he could jump forward by taking geometry in the summer and then be ready for calculus as a Junior. The question is how important is it for com sci majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

FFS - calm down. Your snowflake can choose to attend no matter what.

You sound like Trump right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

FFS - calm down. Your snowflake can choose to attend no matter what.

You sound like Trump right now.

Sorry, what? The PP is absolutely right. The students who should receive first priority for housing are in-state, not OOS or international. VT is a state school and as such, VA students should come first. But sure, try to bring Trump into this.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

The international students are paying more and supporting Virginia students. From the last CDS 1703/5921 first-year students received need-based financial aid.

If you want VT to behave like an institution with a mission to serve primarily Virginia students, then tuition and/or tax dollars will need to be increased and go to higher education. The state is spending 30% less on higher education than it was in the 90s, adjusted for inflation.

VT could survive if they delayed international students for one year and accepted none the following year. The development office could do a short giving campaign to make up the difference from the one year lack of international tuition. It's not difficult to put your residents and citizens first. Really.

+1,000

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Anonymous wrote:Let's screw over the students we are suppose to be supporting via this tax-payer subsidized university....
VT is encouraging IN_STATE students to defer attendance yet welcomes nearly 4,000 international students (total across the years) with open arms.

How about the university gets its priorities in order and defers the admission of the international students?

Shame on you VT -

Anyone else see misplaced priorities?

Yes.

Definitely.

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Anonymous wrote:From the head of Virginia Tech’s Aerospace Engineering Department on Twitter:

“While some schools struggle with enrollment, we have the opposite problem at Virginia Tech.Target freshman enrollment in Engineering was 2060, but 2700 have accepted for Fall 2019 with 350 wanting Aerospace Engineering.”

As other schools get a lot harder to get into (UMCP, UVA) any okay students that want engineering will go to VT. That is why it is more of a weed-out school. You can't expect kids without calculus to get into engineering school and for some reason VT accepts them.

We were explicitly told by the admissions office at VT four years ago that they want to see calculus finished by end of junior year with an A for engineering admits. If you don't have that, they advised against applying EA, because they would put a hold on the application until they could see the calculus grade (this was before VT offered ED). The competition has only gotten worse. At the engineering open house we were shown the stats. You clearly needed a minimum 4.0 to get in.

My son is an incoming freshman. Is just finished Pre-Calc and was admitted. He doesn’t have a 4.0 either. Kids getting all A’s can get into better schools than VT. It’s a great school, but it is not that hard to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:From the head of Virginia Tech’s Aerospace Engineering Department on Twitter:

“While some schools struggle with enrollment, we have the opposite problem at Virginia Tech.Target freshman enrollment in Engineering was 2060, but 2700 have accepted for Fall 2019 with 350 wanting Aerospace Engineering.”

As other schools get a lot harder to get into (UMCP, UVA) any okay students that want engineering will go to VT. That is why it is more of a weed-out school. You can't expect kids without calculus to get into engineering school and for some reason VT accepts them.

We were explicitly told by the admissions office at VT four years ago that they want to see calculus finished by end of junior year with an A for engineering admits. If you don't have that, they advised against applying EA, because they would put a hold on the application until they could see the calculus grade (this was before VT offered ED). The competition has only gotten worse. At the engineering open house we were shown the stats. You clearly needed a minimum 4.0 to get in.

My son is an incoming freshman. Is just finished Pre-Calc and was admitted. He doesn’t have a 4.0 either. Kids getting all A’s can get into better schools than VT. It’s a great school, but it is not that hard to get into.

Last Pp, is your child admitted to the engineering or computer sci programs? There might be different standards.

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Not hard to get into, but hard to get out of in engineering, CS and hard sciences.

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Anonymous wrote:From the head of Virginia Tech’s Aerospace Engineering Department on Twitter:

“While some schools struggle with enrollment, we have the opposite problem at Virginia Tech.Target freshman enrollment in Engineering was 2060, but 2700 have accepted for Fall 2019 with 350 wanting Aerospace Engineering.”

As other schools get a lot harder to get into (UMCP, UVA) any okay students that want engineering will go to VT. That is why it is more of a weed-out school. You can't expect kids without calculus to get into engineering school and for some reason VT accepts them.

We were explicitly told by the admissions office at VT four years ago that they want to see calculus finished by end of junior year with an A for engineering admits. If you don't have that, they advised against applying EA, because they would put a hold on the application until they could see the calculus grade (this was before VT offered ED). The competition has only gotten worse. At the engineering open house we were shown the stats. You clearly needed a minimum 4.0 to get in.

My son is an incoming freshman. Is just finished Pre-Calc and was admitted. He doesn’t have a 4.0 either. Kids getting all A’s can get into better schools than VT. It’s a great school, but it is not that hard to get into.

But he's not admitted to the engineering school, correct? That's a much tougher call