What are folks doing for MS EOTP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

[Anonymous]

Inspired Teaching's Middle School is an option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

Out of the most competitive ones, yes. A 3 is not at grade level, and "public school grade level" is a pretty low bar. The good news? There are plenty of DCPS kids scoring well below grade level. We could have different test-in schools for 1s & 2s, 3s, and 4s & 5s. Joking, sort of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

+1.

Let’s not forget Ward 2 also feeds to Hardy on Wilson. If we’re having this discussion, why wouldn’t we talk about them as well? Also, if Deal is IB and Shepherd is the only feeder that is IB, it works make sense for them to continue to at least Deal or have the other elementary feeders go IB. I am not a Shepherd parent but trying to bring reason into the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

Sounds like it was provoked by rising New North parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.


I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

Please read again, this thread got hijacked by frustrated prospective new north parents, and SP parents started defending their position. Too bad this happened I was actually watching this thread to know of potential options for my kid who is neither going to SES or New North!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

If DC had any sense they would implement this policy at every middle school in the city. UMC is code for parents who care about education and want their kids to be challenged and this policy would allow that to happen by creating academically challenging cohorts of students regardless of the proficiency rate of the rest of the school population (which is embarrassingly low but that's a different discussion)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

Please don't go lol, I am learning from this thread! If you live in ward 4 (which I assume that is why you are responding to this thread) how can you have guarantee that you kids will go to Stuart Hobson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

Please don't go lol, I am learning from this thread! If you live in ward 4 (which I assume that is why you are responding to this thread) how can you have guarantee that you kids will go to Stuart Hobson?

Oops I am PP I just realized thread says "EOTP" so are you inbound for Stuart Hobson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if a student is well behaved, takes school seriously, but is a first-generation American, or arrived in this country as a child. That student, who may also be at-risk or economically disadvantaged, may well score a high-3 on PARCC ELA in 7th grade but be perfectly capable of succeeding and contributing to SWW or Banneker.

Would you shut them out of every application high school in the city?

No. If I could, I'd tutor them like mad, and provide them and their families with other forms of support, until they could work at or above grave level.

Ok but since you cannot tutor them, and DCPS doesn't provide that sort of support, this kid has to fend for his/herself? That's nuts.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up over PARCC being the gateway for the Walls test. This is LITERALLY the first year that's been the case.

For all you know, kids with 3s, and perhaps even 2s, have been admitted for years.

I'm done with this shrill thread, which has been hijacked by frustrated sounding Shepherd parents. Wish you'd start your own thread.

I'm just glad that my kid is heading to Stuart Hobson for 6th grade if we're not lucky in the Latin lottery. From what I understand, at Hobson, students have to score 4s and 5s on PARCC, and/or 3s and 4s on a DCPS 5th grade report card, to access 6th grade honors classes. Simple system, works for us with a child who coasted through elementary without breaking a sweat but brought home great report cards, and PARCC scores.

If DC had any sense they would implement this policy at every middle school in the city. UMC is code for parents who care about education and want their kids to be challenged and this policy would allow that to happen by creating academically challenging cohorts of students regardless of the proficiency rate of the rest of the school population (which is embarrassingly low but that's a different discussion)

Agree 100%. It's nuts that only SH offers honors classes outside math. Hardy and Deal offer them only for math and they don't seem to exist anywhere else for any subject. Hopeless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

Regardless, you’re not black or AA. You staying that you’re “not white” does not give you any street cred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

Frazier O'Leary talks out both sides of his mouth. Did Brandon Todd provide conflicting statements regarding advocating for Shepherd to stay in the Deal/Wilson boundary too? I missed it if he did, so please share.

Ward 4 has multiple feeder patterns. Of course families IB for Shepherd (like me) want to stay in the Deal/Wilson boundary as opposed to changing the boundary to an unproven middle school and unacceptable to most UMC high school. I'm sorry that other parts of Ward 4 got kicked out, but it's not fair for other Ward 4 parents to try to drag us into this less favorable (and not even viable to many) option just to boost their own feeder patterns.

Also, preserving the constituents' home values is something that our elected leaders SHOULD care about.

I hope our elected Ward 4 leaders focus efforts both on fighting for Shepherd to stay IB for Deal and Wilson and also building up other Ward 4 schools. For the record, Deal and Wilson are Ward 4 schools because they serve Ward 4 residents, regardless of what Ward they physically reside in. Same as Garrison Elementary serves Wards 1 and 2, but is located in Ward 1. It's still a Ward 2 school as well as a Ward 1 school.

Brandon Todd also talks out of both sides of his mouth, he has said to other Ward 4 families that the boundaries are up in 2022 and he was open to looking at this issue - now to SP, he is saying I don't support the boundary change. He will hopefully be held accountable by Ward 4 voters (assuming he doesn't get indicted).

And, nope, SP's property values are no more important than the rest of Ward 4. Our property values not routed for Deal/Wilson go up every year - and are well over 700k. These property values are tied to Ward 4 schools getting better, obviously. The better question is why you think your property values and children are more important then the rest of the students in the Ward you live in. Rest assured, that they are not. Property is fungible. Metro lines get built. Schools closes. Walter Reed is redeveloped as housing. You assume a risk when you buy any house anywhere. You are not royalty, and the Deal/Wilson is not a divine right of kings. For the record, Deal and Wilson are not Ward 4 schools, just because they serve OOB kids or Shepherd.Lafayette currently. Many other schools in the District serve OOB kids - that doesn't magically transform that school to a Ward 4 school - that's crazy. As much as Shepherd Park/Lafayette parents accuse Ward 3 of racism - they should look inward at their own classicism and colorism/racism. Membership in Jack and Jill doesn't make you more important than anybody else who wants a good school for their children.

What is Jack and Jill?