What are folks doing for MS EOTP?

[Anonymous]

I think PP needs more black friends. I’m white and have known about it for decades. https://jackandjillinc.org/

[Anonymous]

I thought the poster was referring to the clothing store in Montgomery Mall.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

Regardless, you’re not black or AA. You staying that you’re “not white” does not give you any street cred.

I'm from Ireland and have no idea what the story is with street cred. I do know that PARCC scores are horrifyingly low at my in-boundary middle school, and that no white families enroll.

We can't afford private school and our charter ends at 5th grade, so common sense dictates that we're moving if the lottery doesn't go our way. Right, nobody cares if we move other than perhaps our neighbors and friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

Regardless, you’re not black or AA. You staying that you’re “not white” does not give you any street cred.

I'm from Ireland and have no idea what the story is with street cred. I do know that PARCC scores are horrifyingly low at my in-boundary middle school, and that no white families enroll.

We can't afford private school and our charter ends at 5th grade, so common sense dictates that we're moving if the lottery doesn't go our way. Right, nobody cares if we move other than perhaps our neighbors and friends.

Wait, you’re from Ireland but you stated you weren’t white?

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

Regardless, you’re not black or AA. You staying that you’re “not white” does not give you any street cred.

I'm from Ireland and have no idea what the story is with street cred. I do know that PARCC scores are horrifyingly low at my in-boundary middle school, and that no white families enroll.

We can't afford private school and our charter ends at 5th grade, so common sense dictates that we're moving if the lottery doesn't go our way. Right, nobody cares if we move other than perhaps our neighbors and friends.

Wait, you’re from Ireland but you stated you weren’t white?

NP. There are non-white people in Ireland...? Or do you think everyone is white and a leprechaun? Lucky charms for all!!

[Anonymous]

School needs to hurry up and open back up. Why aren’t you guys enjoying this nice February vacation?

[Anonymous]

For Brooklanders, who don’t trust Brookland Middle, nor its destination HS, Dunbar, seems to be a combo of BASIS, Latin, DCI, moving, and ITS.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, political leaders only care about getting themselves elected/re-elected. Witness Frazier O'Leary who campaigned all over Ward 4 promising that he really cared about Ward 4 schools - he now says he supports keeping Shepherd and Lafayette in Deal Wilson feeder pattern because he's most concerned about the million dollar property values in these neighborhoods. Ditto useless Brandon Todd. What they are actually saying is we don't give an eff about New North/McFarland or Roosevelt/Coolidge and SP and the Gold Coast are the only residents we really care about, wither Brightwood, Takoma, Manor Park, etc. We need to elect real leadership in Ward 4 to improve Ward 4 MS.

The new middle school plan A shouldn't be relying on Shepherd or Lafayette. Even if the feeder change most families will not send their kids to New North. What is 20 students from Shepherd going to do to change the new school. Be realistic. You just want Shepherd kicked out because you are not part of the feeder. You don't really believe that the "Strong cohort" you keep talking about will come from Shepherd, do you? If Shepherd is your plan A you will fail. I am all for improving the middle school around but there should be a better plan than hoping that Shepherd parents will send their kids to this untested MS. We will move if needed.

Then, move. Many IB families zoned for Shepherd don’t send their kids to Shepherd, which is why your school is not at capacity. By your flawed logic, Shepherd is doing something wrong...I haven’t used the term “strong cohort.” Some families in IB for Lafayette and Shepherd would leave, some do already. Others would over time help build New North. Just like Bancroft will likely help build a better MacFarland. Again, your classism and colorism/racism bears examination.

Classicsm, colorism, racism, bunk. I'm not white. I attended college on a full Pell Grant. What screams for examination is your holier-than-thou screed, which is bad for my neighborhood, and my city. When I move, local poor kids not only gain nothing, they lose out on the support I and other highly-educated neighborhood parents could bring to a public by-right middle school we found acceptable. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a foundation giving away tens of million dollars a year. Poor kids gain nothing when I hit the road. Hint: I've worked as a professional fundraiser for a charitable organization raising tens of millions a year.

News flash. Colorism exists in AA community.

PP is not black. She noted that she’s not white. 99.9% of the time that means they are other but think they have more credit by saying they’re not white insinuating they’re black rather that stating their true ethnicity.

When did race become an ethnicity? Am I ethnically white because I was adopted from Korea by a white couple? Or am I ethnically Korean, although I didn't grow up in a Korean family, am vague on Korean culture and only know a few words of the language?

Regardless, you’re not black or AA. You staying that you’re “not white” does not give you any street cred.

I'm from Ireland and have no idea what the story is with street cred. I do know that PARCC scores are horrifyingly low at my in-boundary middle school, and that no white families enroll.

We can't afford private school and our charter ends at 5th grade, so common sense dictates that we're moving if the lottery doesn't go our way. Right, nobody cares if we move other than perhaps our neighbors and friends.

Wait, you’re from Ireland but you stated you weren’t white?

NP. There are non-white people in Ireland...? Or do you think everyone is white and a leprechaun? Lucky charms for all!!

Ireland is 97% white. PP should just state what/who she is or not state at all instead of giving impression that she is a minority, or even AA when she is not.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t read the whole thread, but the choices are:
1: Move to an area that has a better neighborhood middle school option (Arlington, Bethesda)
2: Try to lottery into one of a handful of schools - Basis, Deal, Hardy, Latin, DCI (though I’ve not heard many good things about the school)
3: Suck it up and shell out for private school.
4: Move out of the area entirely to a lower COL area to mKe private school more affordable

[Anonymous]

DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

it's so pathetic especially when they have the Stuart Hobson model actually working just offer some sort of differentiation/honors tracking already

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

it's so pathetic especially when they have the Stuart Hobson model actually working just offer some sort of differentiation/honors tracking already

There's more to it -- until and unless the stdent body changes, the results will be mixed. A sampling of middle schools find they all are serving some high need students, but overall there are fewer high needs students at SH and Hardy.

SH
29% at-risk
1% ELL
1% homeless
12% students with disabilities

Hardy
20% at risk
6% ELL
1% homeless
14% students with disabilities

Brookland
67% at risk
2% ELL
19% homeless
27% students with disabilities

MacFarland
41% at risk
36% ELL
2% homeless
10% students with disabilities

Jefferson
59% at risk
1%ELL
3% homeless
20% students with disabilities

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

it's so pathetic especially when they have the Stuart Hobson model actually working just offer some sort of differentiation/honors tracking already

There's more to it -- until and unless the stdent body changes, the results will be mixed. A sampling of middle schools find they all are serving some high need students, but overall there are fewer high needs students at SH and Hardy.

SH
29% at-risk
1% ELL
1% homeless
12% students with disabilities

Hardy
20% at risk
6% ELL
1% homeless
14% students with disabilities

Brookland
67% at risk
2% ELL
19% homeless
27% students with disabilities

MacFarland
41% at risk
36% ELL
2% homeless
10% students with disabilities

Jefferson
59% at risk
1%ELL
3% homeless
20% students with disabilities

I get your point if there was tracking/honors at the schools then more people would select them instead of charter/private/moving which would change the at-risk%

it's a chicken and egg problem you need a reason for people to embrace the school

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

it's so pathetic especially when they have the Stuart Hobson model actually working just offer some sort of differentiation/honors tracking already

There's more to it -- until and unless the stdent body changes, the results will be mixed. A sampling of middle schools find they all are serving some high need students, but overall there are fewer high needs students at SH and Hardy.

SH
29% at-risk
1% ELL
1% homeless
12% students with disabilities

Hardy
20% at risk
6% ELL
1% homeless
14% students with disabilities

Brookland
67% at risk
2% ELL
19% homeless
27% students with disabilities

MacFarland
41% at risk
36% ELL
2% homeless
10% students with disabilities

Jefferson
59% at risk
1%ELL
3% homeless
20% students with disabilities

I get your point if there was tracking/honors at the schools then more people would select them instead of charter/private/moving which would change the at-risk%

it's a chicken and egg problem you need a reason for people to embrace the school

True -- but you need critical mass to offer honors classes. Right now the school's top priorities are, and have to be IMO, serving the students they have.

SH's honors classes didn't magically appear when the first higher SES parents began enrolling their kids, and they weren't promised as a carrot to lure parents into enrolling. Schools have to reach a minimum threshold of students who are ready for more advanced work to be able to offer them (see SH and Hardy for 2 examples). From a staffing perspective, it isn't viable to offer honors classes for a handful of students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS's track record with renovated Cardozo, McKinley Middle, and of course BM (Brookland Middle) seems to point the way towards its projected success with MacFarland.

There's a reason the former DCPS Chancellor declared "Maybe Charters are better at middle school than DCPS."

it's so pathetic especially when they have the Stuart Hobson model actually working just offer some sort of differentiation/honors tracking already

There's more to it -- until and unless the stdent body changes, the results will be mixed. A sampling of middle schools find they all are serving some high need students, but overall there are fewer high needs students at SH and Hardy.

SH
29% at-risk
1% ELL
1% homeless
12% students with disabilities

Hardy
20% at risk
6% ELL
1% homeless
14% students with disabilities

Brookland
67% at risk
2% ELL
19% homeless
27% students with disabilities

MacFarland
41% at risk
36% ELL
2% homeless
10% students with disabilities

Jefferson
59% at risk
1%ELL
3% homeless
20% students with disabilities

These percentages are from SY 2017-18. The at risk %s at SH and Hardy are dropping by 4-5% per year. The percentage of at-risk student in the Hobson's honors classes is thought to be the in low single digits. Not sure if it's good or bad, but it is what it is.