Another racial incident at Churchill HS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

Do these things happen with a much greater frequency at Churchill? Do we have some numbers? i.e. how many times these things happen at Churchill vs other schools in the last (3?) years? Let's see if we really have evidence to support this claim.

This is exactly the point. Unless someone has data to actually back up the claim that these incidents happen more often at Churchill than their claim is merit less. This board loves to stoke things up at Churchill by making sure that everything that happens within the community is made public. I see someone posted a letter from the Quince Orchard principal of an incident that happened earlier in the month. They've had their own share of problems. These issues are not limited to Churchill and it's time people throughout the county start addressing it not just saying how horrible Churchill is.

The type of data used to be tracked by MCPS: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/safetyglance/

The last year data was gathered was 2016-2017. I don't know why MCPS stopped but it would be helpful if MCPS continued gathering and publicly sharing the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

Do these things happen with a much greater frequency at Churchill? Do we have some numbers? i.e. how many times these things happen at Churchill vs other schools in the last (3?) years? Let's see if we really have evidence to support this claim.

This is exactly the point. Unless someone has data to actually back up the claim that these incidents happen more often at Churchill than their claim is merit less. This board loves to stoke things up at Churchill by making sure that everything that happens within the community is made public. I see someone posted a letter from the Quince Orchard principal of an incident that happened earlier in the month. They've had their own share of problems. These issues are not limited to Churchill and it's time people throughout the county start addressing it not just saying how horrible Churchill is.

+1.

There's much much worse things going on in other schools and no one on dcum cares.

For whatever reason Churchill is a magnet for dcum haters.

Envy perhaps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

Do these things happen with a much greater frequency at Churchill? Do we have some numbers? i.e. how many times these things happen at Churchill vs other schools in the last (3?) years? Let's see if we really have evidence to support this claim.

This is exactly the point. Unless someone has data to actually back up the claim that these incidents happen more often at Churchill than their claim is merit less. This board loves to stoke things up at Churchill by making sure that everything that happens within the community is made public. I see someone posted a letter from the Quince Orchard principal of an incident that happened earlier in the month. They've had their own share of problems. These issues are not limited to Churchill and it's time people throughout the county start addressing it not just saying how horrible Churchill is.

+1.

There's much much worse things going on in other schools and no one on dcum cares.

For whatever reason Churchill is a magnet for dcum haters.

Envy perhaps?

Not really. It's because lots of parents, presumably W parents, look down on non W schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everything at Churchill is publicized and made to seem as if the students and staff are the most horrible, insensitive people in the county. There are a LOT of good people in the community and as my DS said yesterday, "everybody acts like this is just at Churchill and it's not, believe me". Let's face it, we all know where this horrible, divisive climate came from and until something changes up there, this type of behavior is unfortunately going to continue.Do we talk to our kids about this stuff, absolutely. Do they participate in it at school or anywhere else, No. I am not defending this behavior at all, but we have a much larger problem in this country and it's not contained to one high school in Montgomery County.

I don't things at Churchill are more publicized than anyplace else. It's that these things happen there with a much greater frequency. Pretending that it happens everywhere when there's no evidence to support this assertion is just a way of deflecting to avoid responsibility for these heinous actions.

Do these things happen with a much greater frequency at Churchill? Do we have some numbers? i.e. how many times these things happen at Churchill vs other schools in the last (3?) years? Let's see if we really have evidence to support this claim.

This is exactly the point. Unless someone has data to actually back up the claim that these incidents happen more often at Churchill than their claim is merit less. This board loves to stoke things up at Churchill by making sure that everything that happens within the community is made public. I see someone posted a letter from the Quince Orchard principal of an incident that happened earlier in the month. They've had their own share of problems. These issues are not limited to Churchill and it's time people throughout the county start addressing it not just saying how horrible Churchill is.

+1.

There's much much worse things going on in other schools and no one on dcum cares.

For whatever reason Churchill is a magnet for dcum haters.

Envy perhaps?

Why assume the people posting are Churchill haters rather than Churchill parents? More focus on Churchill because more Churchill parents are on this site. There are schools where worse is going on, but I'd guess that a lower percentage of those parents are on DCUM and so they get less attention.

[Anonymous]

You all realize that the new Hip Hop class is going to expose students to the n word and then some. Are they going to teach it’s ok for some to use the n word and other are not allowed.

Are Virginia kids learning it’s ok to be racist if you are a democrat because democrats can’t be racist even when they are caught performing the most racist of activities.

Point is Kids can smell double standards a mile away. Guess what folks... we are going to see more of this kind of behavior. Not because our students are klansmen or Hitler youth or anything else but because kids will test limits and rebel against ‘the man’... and ‘the Man’ is us, the adults in charge. And guess what, the more we shove mind numbing stifling PC authoritarianism down their throats along with oozing hypocrisy from ‘the man’, the more acting out we are going to get.

[Anonymous]

Or students just perpetuate the examples "the man" in charge sets for them. Students hearing hate speech at home and at school become part of the problem.

Bigotry, harassment, discrimination, and general disrespect of others is not new to Churchill. Media coverage of problems in other MCPS schools would indicate these issues are a county-wide problem. I am sure central office knows of problems that were covered up because not everything gets email and media attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or students just perpetuate the examples "the man" in charge sets for them. Students hearing hate speech at home and at school become part of the problem.

Bigotry, harassment, discrimination, and general disrespect of others is not new to Churchill. Media coverage of problems in other MCPS schools would indicate these issues are a county-wide problem. I am sure central office knows of problems that were covered up because not everything gets email and media attention.

Exactly, this is not new.

Bigotry, harassment, discrimination, were all much worse under Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

Why was DCUM so silent then?

[Anonymous]

Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

BS is rarely complex.

It's just pure, raw BS.

What is complex is the effort to rationalize BS, like just above.

You folks are certifiably deranged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

BS is rarely complex.

It's just pure, raw BS.

What is complex is the effort to rationalize BS, like just above.

You folks are certifiably deranged.

+1 more lame excuses to justify horrid behavior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

dd told me about this when it happened. It may have started that way (I know there was at least 1 AA kid involved). But I think it expanded from there — white kids giving to white kids. At least one instance of a white kid giving to an AA kid. I would agree that it was ignorance more than racism. That the police were involved is ludicrous to me. But it does need to be addressed in an educational way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

dd told me about this when it happened. It may have started that way (I know there was at least 1 AA kid involved). But I think it expanded from there — white kids giving to white kids. At least one instance of a white kid giving to an AA kid. I would agree that it was ignorance more than racism. That the police were involved is ludicrous to me. But it does need to be addressed in an educational way.

Surprise surprise, AA guy sells some stupid sh#t to white guys...and it's the latter who get in trouble due to PC sh#t.

It's the adults who should end in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on what my kids have told me this is a thing that AA kids give to their white friends as a kind of validation that they are cool. It isn't a pass to use the word in a denigrating way it is a "pass" to use it to acknowledge a friend or to sing with a song. I think the intent is important. If the school just says "this is wrong" without talking to the kids in question and asking them what their intent was then an important lesson is lost. If their intent is what my kids described then they can talk about how that word is hurtful in any context to many when used by a white person and some AA people don't like it when AA people use it. It is a complex issue and deserves a thoughtful response.

dd told me about this when it happened. It may have started that way (I know there was at least 1 AA kid involved). But I think it expanded from there — white kids giving to white kids. At least one instance of a white kid giving to an AA kid. I would agree that it was ignorance more than racism. That the police were involved is ludicrous to me. But it does need to be addressed in an educational way.

Surprise surprise, AA guy sells some stupid sh#t to white guys...and it's the latter who get in trouble due to PC sh#t.

It's the adults who should end in jail.

Aww poor oppressed white guys who can't even say the n word anymore without consequences.

[Anonymous]

Here's a thought, let's stop stereotyping one another and have a legitimate discussion about school climate issues. When a person needs to stoop to name calling, it's a fact you lost the argument because you have ceased to have a legitimate argument.

[Anonymous]

WJLA posted a picture of the pass: https://wjla.com/news/local/students-allegedly-caught-exchanging-n-word-passes-at-md-school