Think she cheated on her SAT?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What she's doing is taking way more of her time and energy than retaking the test.

Anyone who raised their score that much fair and square would be jumping to retake the test and prove to everyone that they earned it.

What she is doing would end this ridiculousness for everyone forever and is therefore very useful.

+1000. ETS accused her or cheating. Let them prove it. And if it turns out there is no conclusive evidence of her cheating, I hope this turns into a class action because I am sure there are others like her flagged purely due to racial stereotypes.

Getting flagged and reviewed for a significant score jump is not the time to lawyer up and bring out the go fund me account.

Why would she not wait for the review to occur?

[Anonymous]

My kid had a strange jump down in scores of one of the sections for the PSAT. I wish they would flag and review that for review.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What she's doing is taking way more of her time and energy than retaking the test.

Anyone who raised their score that much fair and square would be jumping to retake the test and prove to everyone that they earned it.

What she is doing would end this ridiculousness for everyone forever and is therefore very useful.

+1000. ETS accused her or cheating. Let them prove it. And if it turns out there is no conclusive evidence of her cheating, I hope this turns into a class action because I am sure there are others like her flagged purely due to racial stereotypes.

Getting flagged and reviewed for a significant score jump is not the time to lawyer up and bring out the go fund me account.

Why would she not wait for the review to occur?

Are you not able to read? There is a deadline in play. Go read the article before opening your big mouth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some very dishonest people in this thread. She should go through the arduous process of taking an hours-long exam again (this time under tremendous pressure) because her score was flagged? If this was one of your precious white children, you would be suing everyone in sight. And I know this as an attorney who makes a good living filing lawsuits on behalf of spoiled rich people who I personally think I need to get lost. 99% of these are white people.

If this was my daughter, I would not allow her to retake the test. We would fight this and they could go ahead and produce the “evidence” of her “cheating.”

It sounds like it has happened to several people in this thread and they all reacted by waiting it out and letting the system move things through.

None of their first responses was to immediately hire a lawyer, go to the media, and set up a $100,000 go fund me.

That is why she is getting a negative reaction.

Her first response is disproportional to the process.

Oh! My apologies. If strangers online claim this is how they handled things, then she should certainly follow their approach. Quickly send the plaintiff this thread so she knows the proper way to go about this.

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Anonymous wrote:The SAT doesn't have that kind of content. It's a skills test more than a memorization test. If she brushes up on her skills a little bit, she should have no problem repeating the test with a similar score.

She cheated, though. Her missed answers matched against another student's missed answers.

Assuming this evidence is presented and convincing, and backed statistical analysis and seating charts, isn't it possible the other student cheated from her?

She looks like a cheater

I don’t know if you are being sarcastic, but you and PP hit the nail on the head. Kamilah Campbell “looks” and “sounds” like a cheater to people in this thread, of course. If ETS says without evidence that she cheated, then of course she is a stinking black...I mean a stinking cheater.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid’s score went up by 350 points (from a 1080 to a 1430) and they held the score and investigated her for cheating. But they didn’t find any evidence and released the score. They must have found something on this student.

This is my thought, too. My kid’s score was flagged after a very high jump, but was released after an investigation.

This is standard practice when there is a significant jump. It happens. It has nothing to do with race. The GoFundMe has only $46 which is where it should be. She just needs to retake the test and prove what she says is true - that she studied hard, etc. etc.

This is NOT standard practice with a significant jump and ETS has not said it is. You wholesale made that up because you want to argue this has nothing to do with race, which you cannot and do not know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What she's doing is taking way more of her time and energy than retaking the test.

Anyone who raised their score that much fair and square would be jumping to retake the test and prove to everyone that they earned it.

What she is doing would end this ridiculousness for everyone forever and is therefore very useful.

+1000. ETS accused her or cheating. Let them prove it. And if it turns out there is no conclusive evidence of her cheating, I hope this turns into a class action because I am sure there are others like her flagged purely due to racial stereotypes.

Getting flagged and reviewed for a significant score jump is not the time to lawyer up and bring out the go fund me account.

Why would she not wait for the review to occur?

Who are you to say when she should lawyer up? And PP made an excellent point. The student has brought attention to an issue that likely affects others and may need to be addressed systemically. Moreover, lawyering up ensures ETS will prioritize this case, which is absolutely important to this individual student’s outcomes in the application process. How callous to suggest she should just roll over and wait meekly in a situation that can affect where she goes to college and how much scholarship money she gets. Those are life changing issues.

[Anonymous]

Did she take the essay portion? Or is the issue with the standardized test?

[Anonymous]

The Office of Testing Integrity is part of College Board. ETS has not written the SAT since the new format came out in 2016. I doubt ETS has anything to do with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was her test score flagged because she had raised her score by 300 points or was it flagged because her answers matched the answers of other test takers in the room? Or was it a combination of both?

All big raises get flagged for review

The matching was why they concluded she cheated

Yes - but she was starting in the 900s. A 300 score increase is totally normal with prep.

normal??? no it’s not. not on the 1600 version.

Do you have a kid who has studied for the SAT before? When you're starting that low, its not hard to score much higher after prep.

[Anonymous]

The people citing anonymous posts on websites are disturbing. Do we really have adults on this forum who cannot understand that so-and-so said xyz online means nothing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And one more thing, none of you have seen ETS’s evidence of her alleged cheating. But you credit their claim immediately, right? Typical. The letter they sent her is a stock letter that most students of her background do not wherewithal to challenge.

This is true. Big jumps in scores get the letter. It has nothing to do with race.

PP here. No, that’s not what I said. I think race absolutely has to do with who gets the stock letter trying to intimidate them into abandoning “too high” test scores. And I suspect that if ETS does not back down (which I am 100% sure it will in order to avoid being exposed during discovery), we will find out that black people are more likely to be flagged on little to no evidence beyond mere increases in scores that can be explained by hard work. Your race neutral Utopia does not exist.

Why do you think that race has something to do with who gets the letter?

There have been lots of posts on college confidential over the years about being flagged for score jumps and I never got the impression from those posts that there was a racial connection with getting the stock letter.

You are really arguing that there is not a racial connection because no one on College Confidential posts you claim to have read said there is a racial connection?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Office of Testing Integrity is part of College Board. ETS has not written the SAT since the new format came out in 2016. I doubt ETS has anything to do with this.

Does that have some relevance to the issues this student’s case or are you just being tedious?