Where the heck are the Republicans?

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Anonymous wrote:And libs forget that Obama’s campaign finance violation was very real and he simply paid a fine

Screw you - you keep trying to sell this story of Obama campaign finance violations as equivalent to Trump's secret payoff of sex workers, but that's totally not true.

Obama's violations were that his campaign received contributions within 20 days of the election, and failed to report them to the FEC within 48 hours of receiving them. The Obama campaign reported them, but just not within 48 hours, so they paid a fine. By contrast, the Trump campaign knowingly and intentionally hid secret payoffs to sex workers. Big difference. "Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Trump used his own cash. Tell me how incensed you are about the taxpayer slush fund Congress uses to pay off women

This isn't about whether Trump used his own cash, just in case you didn't understand the law.

DP. It wasn't even a campaign contribution. Trump's lawyer was paying off an extortion to protect his marriage and business brand. It's a business expense.

Nice try but no. In Cohen's admission of guilt, he specifically stated that the payments were made to benefit Trump's presidential bid.

Sorry, Cohen had already gone on television and told the American public that he did it on his own to protect Trump's marriage. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Now he is lying to get a reduced sentence on tax related crimes. How do you prove in a court of law that the purpose of the payment was not for protecting the marriage and business brand? By Cohen's ever changing words?

No, by the mountains of evidence in Cohen’s office, house and hotel room, so much that it took a special master months to go through. Including tapes. And emails. And Trump Organization invoices.

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Anonymous wrote:I am somewhat connected to Republicans in Congress, especially their staffers. Three big points.

1. The base doesn't care. Like, seriously. They will support Trump and aligned GOP candidates.

2. It's fairly clear that the Russians took advantage of the "southern strategy," the NRA, and racism to pick off the GOP. It's sort of obvious but not really publicly reported.

3. People are tied up in this mess. Right now the issue is whether the GOP and Trump are going to continue to stick together.

Do they realize our national security, our democratic institutions including the truth and the rule of law are at stake? Will they put country over party?

Yes, they realized that. And if you followed closely Russian allegations, you should be well aware that they began operating well before 2013. Since democrats have not done anything in years to prevent Russian interference, I have to put country over the party and vote republican.

Obama levied sanctions and strengthened the Magnisky Act. He also expelled a number of Russian spied. He would have done more, but was thwarted by McConnell. Maybe that is where your ire should be focused.

How is sending a few Russians home equal to allowing hundreds of other Russians to interfere with our election system? Am I missing something?

How is doing less then he could have to thwart the Russian worse than directly conspiring with the Russians. Do we let murderers off the hook because the police didn't get there fast enough?

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Anonymous wrote:And libs forget that Obama’s campaign finance violation was very real and he simply paid a fine

Screw you - you keep trying to sell this story of Obama campaign finance violations as equivalent to Trump's secret payoff of sex workers, but that's totally not true.

Obama's violations were that his campaign received contributions within 20 days of the election, and failed to report them to the FEC within 48 hours of receiving them. The Obama campaign reported them, but just not within 48 hours, so they paid a fine. By contrast, the Trump campaign knowingly and intentionally hid secret payoffs to sex workers. Big difference. "Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Trump used his own cash. Tell me how incensed you are about the taxpayer slush fund Congress uses to pay off women

This isn't about whether Trump used his own cash, just in case you didn't understand the law.

DP. It wasn't even a campaign contribution. Trump's lawyer was paying off an extortion to protect his marriage and business brand. It's a business expense.

Nice try but no. In Cohen's admission of guilt, he specifically stated that the payments were made to benefit Trump's presidential bid.

Sorry, Cohen had already gone on television and told the American public that he did it on his own to protect Trump's marriage. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Now he is lying to get a reduced sentence on tax related crimes. How do you prove in a court of law that the purpose of the payment was not for protecting the marriage and business brand? By Cohen's ever changing words?

Prosecutors are not allowed to let a someone plead to a crime they didn't commit. Which means they have corroborating evidence. And when your main target is the President, you play it totally by the book and have a mountain of evidence behind you. They only get one shot at Trump and they better not miss.

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Ah we can all rest easier now - Senator Cassidy has “concerns.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-senator-says-hes-concerned-trump-was-involved-crime?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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Anonymous wrote:And libs forget that Obama’s campaign finance violation was very real and he simply paid a fine

Screw you - you keep trying to sell this story of Obama campaign finance violations as equivalent to Trump's secret payoff of sex workers, but that's totally not true.

Obama's violations were that his campaign received contributions within 20 days of the election, and failed to report them to the FEC within 48 hours of receiving them. The Obama campaign reported them, but just not within 48 hours, so they paid a fine. By contrast, the Trump campaign knowingly and intentionally hid secret payoffs to sex workers. Big difference. "Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Trump used his own cash. Tell me how incensed you are about the taxpayer slush fund Congress uses to pay off women

This isn't about whether Trump used his own cash, just in case you didn't understand the law.

DP. It wasn't even a campaign contribution. Trump's lawyer was paying off an extortion to protect his marriage and business brand. It's a business expense.

Nice try but no. In Cohen's admission of guilt, he specifically stated that the payments were made to benefit Trump's presidential bid.

Sorry, Cohen had already gone on television and told the American public that he did it on his own to protect Trump's marriage. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Now he is lying to get a reduced sentence on tax related crimes. How do you prove in a court of law that the purpose of the payment was not for protecting the marriage and business brand? By Cohen's ever changing words?

Prosecutors are not allowed to let a someone plead to a crime they didn't commit. Which means they have corroborating evidence. And when your main target is the President, you play it totally by the book and have a mountain of evidence behind you. They only get one shot at Trump and they better not miss.

If they had all the evidence, why even bother offering Cohen a reduction of sentence, and Pecker an immunity? The issue here is the state of mind of Trump vis-a-vis the payment to stormy. He can say he did it for the purpose of marriage and brand. It's very reasonable people do this sort of thing to protect their families and reputations. How do you disapprove that?

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Anonymous wrote:And libs forget that Obama’s campaign finance violation was very real and he simply paid a fine

Screw you - you keep trying to sell this story of Obama campaign finance violations as equivalent to Trump's secret payoff of sex workers, but that's totally not true.

Obama's violations were that his campaign received contributions within 20 days of the election, and failed to report them to the FEC within 48 hours of receiving them. The Obama campaign reported them, but just not within 48 hours, so they paid a fine. By contrast, the Trump campaign knowingly and intentionally hid secret payoffs to sex workers. Big difference. "Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Trump used his own cash. Tell me how incensed you are about the taxpayer slush fund Congress uses to pay off women

This isn't about whether Trump used his own cash, just in case you didn't understand the law.

DP. It wasn't even a campaign contribution. Trump's lawyer was paying off an extortion to protect his marriage and business brand. It's a business expense.

Nice try but no. In Cohen's admission of guilt, he specifically stated that the payments were made to benefit Trump's presidential bid.

Sorry, Cohen had already gone on television and told the American public that he did it on his own to protect Trump's marriage. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Now he is lying to get a reduced sentence on tax related crimes. How do you prove in a court of law that the purpose of the payment was not for protecting the marriage and business brand? By Cohen's ever changing words?

Prosecutors are not allowed to let a someone plead to a crime they didn't commit. Which means they have corroborating evidence. And when your main target is the President, you play it totally by the book and have a mountain of evidence behind you. They only get one shot at Trump and they better not miss.

If they had all the evidence, why even bother offering Cohen a reduction of sentence, and Pecker an immunity? The issue here is the state of mind of Trump vis-a-vis the payment to stormy. He can say he did it for the purpose of marriage and brand. It's very reasonable people do this sort of thing to protect their families and reputations. How do you disapprove that?

I'm sorry, but the evidence doesn't support this. He is on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy. Screwing models is his brand and all of his marriages. And the timing (8 years after the affair, 8 weeks before the elections). Nope. Try again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And libs forget that Obama’s campaign finance violation was very real and he simply paid a fine

Screw you - you keep trying to sell this story of Obama campaign finance violations as equivalent to Trump's secret payoff of sex workers, but that's totally not true.

Obama's violations were that his campaign received contributions within 20 days of the election, and failed to report them to the FEC within 48 hours of receiving them. The Obama campaign reported them, but just not within 48 hours, so they paid a fine. By contrast, the Trump campaign knowingly and intentionally hid secret payoffs to sex workers. Big difference. "Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Trump used his own cash. Tell me how incensed you are about the taxpayer slush fund Congress uses to pay off women

This isn't about whether Trump used his own cash, just in case you didn't understand the law.

DP. It wasn't even a campaign contribution. Trump's lawyer was paying off an extortion to protect his marriage and business brand. It's a business expense.

Nice try but no. In Cohen's admission of guilt, he specifically stated that the payments were made to benefit Trump's presidential bid.

Sorry, Cohen had already gone on television and told the American public that he did it on his own to protect Trump's marriage. It had nothing to do with the campaign. Now he is lying to get a reduced sentence on tax related crimes. How do you prove in a court of law that the purpose of the payment was not for protecting the marriage and business brand? By Cohen's ever changing words?

Prosecutors are not allowed to let a someone plead to a crime they didn't commit. Which means they have corroborating evidence. And when your main target is the President, you play it totally by the book and have a mountain of evidence behind you. They only get one shot at Trump and they better not miss.

If they had all the evidence, why even bother offering Cohen a reduction of sentence, and Pecker an immunity? The issue here is the state of mind of Trump vis-a-vis the payment to stormy. He can say he did it for the purpose of marriage and brand. It's very reasonable people do this sort of thing to protect their families and reputations. How do you disapprove that?

So Cohen will directly testify against Trump? Duh.

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How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

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Anonymous wrote:How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

Why’d they cover it up if they thought it wouldn’t hurt?

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Anonymous wrote:How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

In the context of the pussy grabbing tape coming out, this would have been very damaging.

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Anonymous wrote:How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

Why ’d they cover it up if they thought it wouldn’t hurt?

Actually this is the crux. It’s a good question. It proves the intent was to influence the election.

Honestly I commiserate with ppp, because my mom-legal mind thinks:
-influence the election? What candidate isn’t trying to influence or change the voters minds in an election (seriously..like I am in kindergarten, please explain)
-I keep going around in circles about if trump ordered it and paid for it across the 11 invoices...isn’t that not a campaign contribution by Cohen? That’s just contracting out work/taking a loan from Cohen and paying it back. In fact he paid Cohen more.

Lol, I’m literally not excusing trump. I just don’t jump as fast as you DC lawyers. Was trying to explain to nonpoltical DH.

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Mom-legal = non-legal

[Anonymous]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/gop-ideas-billionaires-donors-tax-cuts-one-percent-paul-ryan.html

The GOP Has No New Ideas Because Elderly Billionaires Own Its Brain

Any questions?

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Anonymous wrote:How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

This is all salacious. What about something with substance - like colluding with Russia?

And sorry, but paying off a porn star pales in comparison to Bill's "activities." Liberals were sure defending him then.

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Anonymous wrote:How these payment influence the election? All trumpeters knew about pussy grabbing and golden rain, and didn't give a s... Who exactly was influenced by one more affair?

This is all salacious. What about something with substance - like colluding with Russia?

And sorry, but paying off a porn star pales in comparison to Bill's "activities." Liberals were sure defending him then.

No, liberals were not defending him then. At the time, the issue was 'does a blowjob merit removal from office" - none of Clinton's actions impacted an election. It was beyond stupid and reckless and put him in a position of his own 'kompromat.'

In addition with the entire GOP colluding with Russia in the name of power, Trump-Pence specifically defrauded the American public to gain the White House. that is VERY different than Clinton, so no on the whataboutism.